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JType says

JWG – I see what you’re saying and yes, we definitely do need to advertise our services and products if we wish to get any clients whatsoever, but, by the very fact that we are uploading onto this site, already we are using FlashDen to advertise ourselves.

If everyone wanted to promote themselves on the forum, then the competition would not be ‘Who has the better quality file?’, but rather, ‘Who spends more time on their computer bragging about themselves?’, and quality would become a less significant factor.

I think that FlashDen has struck a balance, between giving us the freedom to promote ourselves as much as we want on our portfolios and file descriptions. While, on the other hand, not allowing any one person to dominate the website.

So, as it stands, of course I’m not happy that I haven’t sold a million of each file in my portfolio (yet ;-) ...), but at the same time, I’m more than happy to accept the challenge of improving on my previous files, giving me something to aim for..

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wickedpixel says

i say to let them free for a week… and see how the forum gets…

a file junkyard – i bet a dollar!

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geoken says
From the attitude of a lot of the authors on this site, it seems that a lot of them arn’t interested in happy customers and repeat business. Someone who is successful on the other hand is, and therefore will let people know when his skills are available at a simple request.

From the attitude of a lot of buyers it seems that a lot of them aren’t aware of the symbiotic relationship that exists on this site.

Do you really think it would benefit the site, or at least the forum portion of the site, if every author plugged their files through forum posts and even bumped those posts on occasion?

I came to this site because I wanted to make some file’s and I felt it was set up in a way that the quality of the files could speak for themeselves. If cut-throat self promotion is what I wanted I would have just sold files on my own. Basically, what I’m saying is that the selling environment is what brought me (and likely others) to flash den. If this is compromised it will be bad overall.

Also, everyone gets tons of requests on every file. The majority of them are through the comments (10%) or through email (90%). If getting requests allowed you to start a thread, we would again be at the same point (a thread for pretty much every file).

On a related note, aren’t the file comments essentially a forum thread specifically for that file? Why would you need a thread in the form to post things that could easily be posted in the comments?

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bobocel says

JWG , what tri is doing isn’t an amazing marketing idea! We all know we could do it. We don’t – Adrien expressed it pretty well why. There have been some authors doing it before too.

Nobody is complaining their files aren’t sold because he’s posting these spam threads. Frankly what tri sells doesn’t affect me in any way, and I bet it doesn’t affect anybody. Even more, he might bring more buyers to FD which is a good thing – more sells for everybody, especially for the top rated authors.

What I’m complaining – and this is my personal opinion – is the way he choose to promote his products. I was expecting such a company to act better and know better. They are doing what FlashCart (came first to mind) was doing – and that wasn’t received well either. As I stated before, imagine we all do that with the best files – even 10% of all files is more than 500 new threads. Just imagine!

You bring a good point with requests for new files, or addons to old files – especially because buyers don’t know when one file is updated – but let us think of a good feature and write to support. Let us NOT do what Denzien was doing to have the search added. We all know how ridiculous that was!

It’s frustrating for the staff I am sure, and for all the authors as well. Let’s come with a better solution for this, something that will work for all authors and with any file. Let us be creative, cause we’re supposed to be, right?

This should be a place for all to feel comfortable to come daily. Make love not war! :D

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MarkBrodhuber Envato team says

Nicely put.

JWG , I understand what your saying, and agree to some degree. (Didn’t mean to rhyme, it happens all the time!) Anyway…the thing is, if you look at the first posting, in regards to the wishlist for V.2 there were no complaints…people were posting. Was it self promotion…yes…but the buyers liked to voice their opinions and I understood it. Thats why I didnt say anything in that post. BUT then he posted V.3 wishlist a few days later. Just starting it all over again…having two running postings, both promoting his files that were both in the “Latest Discussion” list on the front page…it then IMO became too much. I spoke out regarding my opinion, so did many others. Then came a similar posting from a buyer, in the item requests section…pretty much a haha, slap in the face thread. Then came a second one.

Thats the problem I have with it, is it causes problems. It did in the past, it does not, and it will in the future. Like everyone said before if everyone did this, then the entire forum will turn into one huge advertisement. If you look at FlashCart (sorry for calling you out buddy) he used to post his files in the forums all the time, people called him out on it…he understood and stopped. He then came up with the great idea of making a website outside of FD to promote his files and other authors files, and make revenue from referrals which was a great idea, and immediately you saw 30 other people on here begin to do the same thing.

There are other ways of advertising. Tri claims that they did it to get all of their buyers comments and requests in one spot. They could have done like every other author does, and compile a list from requests and comments in their files and from emails. And make the file based on that. I believe, with no offense to Tri, that the postings were not due to wanting to hear form the people, they were an advertisement for their product. Thats why I am fighting it so hard. The community is turning into spam, and before long I am going to come here to post files, and review others and that be the end of it.

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GARRO says

ok, it’s been … what? .... three days since this started?

we have been going on and on about this…

and we haven’t heard any replys from the staff about this issue….

anyone else worried about this?

are we wasting our time?

maybe we should use some other course of action for this issue to be address…... any suggestions?

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JWG says

Okay, okay, I understand now. I didn’t know this has been a big problem the past couple days. I haven’t been on as much and just kinda jumped into the situation. I understand your points (each of you) and concede. I do believe however that there should be a easier way for customers who wish to receive updates on files they have purchased or bookmarked, to do so. Personally, I haven’t uploaded files that really require enough attention for it to matter much to me. But it was just my thought for those who do. ;)

Thanks guy’s

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wickedpixel says

I hate when things calm down without kicking someone in the face :(

:D :P
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michaelhejja says

I think it’s fine to start a wish list kind of thread about a file while it’s still in development, as beta testing is a common practice and it will lead to a better file. Once published, however, I don’t think that the forums are the right place to advertise.

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MarkBrodhuber Envato team says
Okay, okay, I understand now. I didn’t know this has been a big problem the past couple days. I haven’t been on as much and just kinda jumped into the situation. I understand your points (each of you) and concede. I do believe however that there should be a easier way for customers who wish to receive updates on files they have purchased or bookmarked, to do so. Personally, I haven’t uploaded files that really require enough attention for it to matter much to me. But it was just my thought for those who do. ;) Thanks guy’s

Ya I agree about some type of system needs to be put into place. Thats the main reason why I used to argue that it was beneficial for authors to be able to see who purchased their files, so that if an update was made the author could send out an email to the buyers informing them. Rather than updating the description and hoping all previous buyers check back.

I am going to post a new site suggestion regarding a few things. Everyone check the site suggestion post in a few minutes and share your opinion.

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