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Wayman says

+8 Absolutely different projects.

And I totally agree with the wisdom and justice of felt_tips point.

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johnnybd says

So it just happeneds the he made the same mistake as me and left the main actor’s head to get chopped by the black key. It’s the new trend now ha? slacking with the placeholders’ alignment?
Just as you happen to decide on using the black keys as masks, coincidentally.
Just as in all the years of this marketplace(and maybe at all?) 0 projects used piano keys in that sense until the same month. That too, coincidentally.
There’s all these coincidences that made me wonder, and still do.
Sorry for getting your file disabled, maybe you didn’t copy, maybe you happen to just see my project and pulled out that old c4d experiment from october (same one you uploaded to youtube not even mentioning that its going to be used as a template) , maybe you did copy. It doesn’t really matter, fact is, it sucks getting your work rejected and it was never my intention. Sorry.

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johnnybd says

And comparing this idea to 3D Logos, IPhone, Lower thirds, News or Clouds footage – really???

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AndrVlad says

Both projects are nice and they looks VERY different.

Personally I prefer project from johnnybd, I like camera and key movements, smothness, colors, DOF, . but henestly I can’t see anything from other project violates copyrights or prevent to have good sales here. These projects are even barely able to compete each other due to heavily different style.

aebuster have to work woth support to get it resolved.

Best Regards, Andrey

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felt_tips Moderator says

So it just happeneds the he made the same mistake as me and left the main actor’s head to get chopped by the black key. It’s the new trend now ha? slacking with the placeholders’ alignment?

You surprise me Johnny.

Only 3 months ago, you had a file hard disabled on the grounds of a copyright infringement. On that occasion, very much like the OP here, you came to the forums. On that occasion, all of your peers unanimously judged the two files to be identical in every significant way. Only you saw it differently and argued that they were in fact very different to one another. Here’s the link in case you forgot.

http://videohive.net/forums/thread/reviewer-accusing-me-of-a-blatant-rip-off-in-an-official-email-from-envato-wheres-the-love-/85650

Now, 12 weeks later, the boot’s on the other foot. You see your copyright infringed and are now arguing that a file your peers have judged to be broadly different in all repsects other than the use of the piano keyboard motif, are in fact exactly the same, and the work should be taken down.

That seems somewhat inconsistent to me.

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felt_tips Moderator says

Regarding the circumstantial evidence…

Your thesis that the author perhaps saw your file and decided to revive an old piano keyboard test from October may not be too far wide of the mark. It’s possible. The October Youtube file is by no means incontravertible evidence that this project was anything more than a quick movement test at that point, and two files appearing in such a short space of time is a little suspect.

On the other hand, your graphical evidence doesn’t really cut it for me. If you did by chance happen to use a piano keyboard in a template, then using the white keys as a mask is absolutely the obvious way to go about it. They provide a continous flat surface, which the black keys don’t. What’s more, by only using the white surface as a mask, you display the placeholder image while keeping the keyboard motif visually recognisable. It’s also technically easier…. achievable with a single, simple luma-matte.

As for the awkwardly cropped photo-media, I’m surprised that you would leave a mistake like that in, but I’d be even more surprised if the OP here had dumbly copied it. It’s just a factor of fitting certain image shapes in amongst the black keys isn’t it? Or not wanting to redo a 3D render, perhaps?

. . . . . .

I mentioned before that I find the case kind of borderline. Circumstantial evidence is okay, but it generally doesn’t add up to a conviction (so to speak!). I also find the fact that this file was rejected inconsistent with previous cases that have come to the forums.

As I mentioned, my main interest isn’t whether a particular file stays or goes, but whether decisions like this have a negative impact on authors’ freedom and creativity, and whether they perhaps even tip the balance in some cases to whether authors continue to produce for Videohive at all. I haven’t really counted, but my gut feeling says we are losing quite a lot of high-end authors.

. . . . . .

PS… would like to hear from the OP at this point… and Support. :-)

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5p1r17 says

So it just happeneds the he made the same mistake as me and left the main actor’s head to get chopped by the black key.
Are you serious??? :D This is a piano!! A musical instrument with White and BLACK keys! And there’re no other options where to place placeholders other than of white keys, which are will be cropped with black keys.

Yes, he maybe was inspired by your work in the middle of his production process, but this dont give you and Envato rights to block his project. This is a ridiculous! We have a ton of same situations here on Videohive…Even worse…

I’m dissapointed how support team reacted on this issue…

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EFEKT_Studio says

This is a huge pressure on videohive authors. I’m not as amazed about particular videohive authors, as I’m amazed by envato staff in making decisions in disabling the files. As felt said, they’re going with guilty-until-proven sense, but actually, it’s more, guilty-even-if-you-prove-different. Shocking for me. Really, really disappointed by envato for this thing.

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felt_tips Moderator says

This is a huge pressure on videohive authors. I’m not as amazed about particular videohive authors, as I’m amazed by envato staff in making decisions in disabling the files. As felt said, they’re going with guilty-until-proven sense, but actually, it’s more, guilty-even-if-you-prove-different. Shocking for me. Really, really disappointed by envato for this thing.

Are the people at support who make these decisions experienced motion graphic designers (or visual creatives in any respect) like the reviewers? Are they the reviewers? Moreover, do they know the Videohive marketplace like the back of their hand? Do they know how such cases have been dealt with in the past? Are they aware of the inconsistencies in the decision making?

It’s vital that these decisions are made consistently and transparently. It’s vital that changes to the way that copyright decisions are met are made public, and if borderline cases are going to be judged subjectively like this, it’s vital that some of that subjective thought process be made public. It’s also vital in cases where 80 hours of an author’s industry are laid to waste, that someone spend 5-10 minutes explaining in detail (and in a non-accusatory tone) exactly why the file has been hard-disabled.

As long as this doesn’t happen, we will inevitably continue to deal with the fall-out from these cases on the forums.

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EFEKT_Studio says

@felt – I assure you this is not done by reviewer nor site manager (Mark in our case). When they disabled my file, I didn’t know what’s going on, they didn’t send me any message for couple of days, so I had to investigate around, sending emails to support. Even then I didn’t get any reply, so I contacted reviewers. They also told me they have no idea. Later on, Mark found out what happened. I’m quite sure staff who disables the items are not motion graphics designers at all.

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