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DavidAELevy says

In my opinion.. and with my current understanding of this situation which may not be correct.. the particulars of this situation should be challenged in the courts. If the situation is: License allows you to use the product to generate content which will be used to generate the buyer income. Issue: Should a legal buyer of product be denied by product developer from using original content produced from such product in a 3rd party software project which would be sold by buyer? Point of view (which may have fallacies): In this situation since no source code from the developers product is included in the content to be sold, how is the developers product rights being violated and further more do they have the legal right to deny a buyer of their product to sell any form and/or portion of original content they create with it? In my opinion I think not.

So do I understand this correctly or is there something details I’ve missed or wrongly interpreted?

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doru says


So let you know I wrote to Video Copilot and they said if you using your own 3d object and materials you can sell those renders for example at Istockphoto , shutterstock and so on…
That would appear to directly contradict what Andrew Kramer himself said a few posts earlier on this very thread.

Maybe he don’t want us to sell a project that can be customized if you have Element 3D but that can be opened if you don’t have Element 3D.

and it contradicts what envato and video copilot spoke about.

maybe you should ask them specifically if you can upload those renders to videohive, you can point them to this thread if you want.


In my opinion.. and with my current understanding of this situation which may not be correct.. the particulars of this situation should be challenged in the courts.

first, the Element 3D license doesn’t deny you to sell that type of content so you can’t challenge nothing since they did nothing wrong.

second, envato can reject whatever content they think is inappropriate to their marketplace, and this is also correct

so no legal base to go to court :)

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AndrewKramer says

Yo! Please note there are multiple purposes of the license agreement to prohibit the use of Content as well as pre-rendering. We reference both to exclude various circumstances.

From the License: “You cannot pre-render or flatten images created with the Product using Content OR other stock media to offer for sale to third parties.”

“But You can create a project using the Software so long as no Content/media is pre-rendered “

Basically, we limit our software from being pre-rendered using Content OR other MEDIA for the purpose of resale. In this case media refers to your own models/textures etc.

We can probably update our agreement to be even more clear but legal documents tend to be vague to catch unknown circumstances etc.

Unlike a bucket of paint, software licensing works a bit differently and allows us as developers to implement certain restrictions, in this case we want our software to be in the hands of creative people even ones who edit templates to save time. We think there are some advantages to using our software over a traditional 3D program to make templates but if you NEED to pre-render, there are other programs available that do not have this restriction.

Let me know if you have any questions. As far as legal advice, I am not an attorney so more specific questions about how that stuff needs to be answered by an lawyer.

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doru says

Basically, we limit our software from being pre-rendered using Content OR other MEDIA for the purpose of resale. In this case media refers to your own models/textures etc.

So if I work for a client and I need to render him a 3D logo I can’t, because you don’t allow me to render with the plugin for resale.

What is the point on paying for this plugin if I can’t render my project out for the client?

And let’s say we go with this route, some people here buy projects for their clients, and they buy my template, they purchase the plugin to open it and then they can’t render the project out for their clients?

I’m really confuse about this.

I retract what I say earlier, now you can definitely go to court with this and you can win if you have nothing better to do that pay money on lawyers.

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uniquefx says

The license allows you to render for clients.

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cyzer says

Andrew, now I am confused too.

What is the difference between pre-rendered footage and rendered footage?

Do you mean we cannot render same footage two times ? (because it will be counted as pre-render the first time we render it)

So if I purchase plug-in I render it out for the client as motion graphics for which he pays, and client cannot implement that motion graphics into his own work/project because he will need to render it again and the first render (which I have sold) will now count as pre-rendered footage.

Can anyone tell me abbreviation/meaning of “pre-rendered” ?

I can.

Pre-rendering – the process in which video footage is not rendered in real-time by the hardware that is outputing or playing back the video. Instead, the video is a recording of a footage that was previously rendered on a different equipment. The term pre-rendered describes anything that is not rendered in real-time.

so ok… I guess now there is a real problem in the license of Element.

How can anyone make animation for anyone if prerenders are not alowed?

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yeremia says

I think the license is that we can make a project template using E3D but we can’t include pre-render. is that correct ? so the buyers need to have E3D .

But i don’t know if we make a project for the client.. is that ok we renders for client? but we don’t give the clients pre-render if he/she want the project.

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doru says

The license allows you to render for clients.

a buyer on this website is my client too, everyone who buy something from me is a client

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felt_tips Moderator says

I think it’s pretty simple and we may be overthinking this a bit.

You can use Element exactly like you use any other piece of software… except you can’t use Element pre-renders in Videohive projects. That’s the long and the short of it.

As I understand it, when you create a piece of software, you can create the licence like you want to. The Videocopilot guys have clearly put a mountain of time and energy into developing this tool, have almost certainly taken a good old fashioned risk with developing a project on this scale too, and what’s more they’ve released it at a bargain price.

It’s up to Videocopilot to decide how best to sell / licence their product. I think we need to respect that decision and move on.

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uniquefx says


The license allows you to render for clients.
a buyer on this website is my client too, everyone who buy something from me is a client

Are you even serious anymore? You know exactly what i meant by that,but you still have to push it and make this simple thing so hard.

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