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ArikB says
Uhm, no. Flash is the most popular plugin of all time. It’s more of a web standard than the English language. This “Is Flash dying” rhetoric is only propagated by Apple fanboys, who instead of admitting their devices have a flaw, would rather just try to make Flash itself the problem.

Amen to that :-)

Sorry Arik but Flash has all the rights to be in the iPad discussion. When you claim to be providing the ultimate internet experience while ignoring one of the biggest player in the internet game, you’re bound to get people asking ;-)

It has the right to belong there but what happened was that the thread veered off from discussing the ipad and how it does or does not support flash and it became a thread about how good or bad flash is, without anyone discussing the ipad any longer. Thread is about the ipad, not about flash. Mentioning the lack of flash is OK with me, making it the focus of the thread isn’t.

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BrianCoyDesign says

I don’t think flash is dying although with the release of HTML5 and the great video assets flash will loose a ton of ground. YouTube has already set-up an HTML5 video delivery system and is pushing that page to browser that can support it.

Part of the problem with flash is the need for Flash Media Server (Althought there are some alternatives). The liscence is extremely expensive for the package.

I agree that there’s nothing to replace it. I just think it will like anything have to refocus what it does from a business perspective and how best to serve developers.

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Elliot says
(...)what happened was that the thread veered off from discussing the ipad and how it does or does not support flash and it became a thread about how good or bad flash is, without anyone discussing the ipad any longer. Thread is about the ipad, not about flash. Mentioning the lack of flash is OK with me, making it the focus of the thread isn’t.

the mere fact that the discussion deviated should give us a hint about how lame the iPad is, isn’t it? XD one little (in MB, but huge in power) became more important than the iPad.

Flash is not dying, we’ll have swfs around for a long time, not only in browsers, but in everyday objects, from phones to a interactive wall. That is because Flash is easy to develop with, powerful and packed with an incredible list of features. That said, maybe you could tell me why the Upload button fails randomly to me and some other users. BTW , that button is Flash.

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michaelhejja says
Part of the problem with flash is the need for Flash Media Server (Althought there are some alternatives). The liscence is extremely expensive for the package.

Um, not quite. You don’t need Flash media server to simply play a video. You need it if you want things like true video streaming (this is different than progressive download), or for things like automatically changing the video quality when low bandwidth is detected, or for allowing multiple users to interact in real time without needing to constantly poll the server. HTML 5 doesn’t have any of this, so you would still need to use Flash or a similar technology to achieve the same.

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_rg_ says

For me, flash is dying on some things, for example now you can make the same using jquery for sliders, menues etc… and developers are using this more. In the past, you made a gallery on flash, now you make it with jquery.

But, in many others situations, flash is not dying, and is the only alternative. Video players, music players, games, desktop apps… is good and the only one.

Just things are becoming the way must be. Flash wasn´t made for web intros and everybody remember how this “intros” were used in the past… sucks!! but now, nobody think on a flash intro (well some clients still do it!!)

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michaelhejja says
Flash is not dying, we’ll have swfs around for a long time, not only in browsers, but in everyday objects, from phones to a interactive wall. That is because Flash is easy to develop with, powerful and packed with an incredible list of features. That said, maybe you could tell me why the Upload button fails randomly to me and some other users. BTW , that button is Flash.

There are bugs in some versions of Mac OSX < 10.3 that do not fire the FileReference class Event Lsteners correctly. Supposedly these were fixed by Adobe in the latest version of Flash player, and also by Apple in the latest OS

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zefs says

It won’t die if Macromedia buys Adobe.

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ArikB says
It won’t die if Macromedia buys Adobe.

Macromedia still exists? :O

Edit: Macromedia was taken over by Adobe as I thought, so wtf?

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dexterous says
It won’t die if Macromedia buys Adobe.

Macromedia still exists? :O

Edit: Macromedia was taken over by Adobe as I thought, so wtf?

No it doesn’t. Macromedia was completely bought by Adobe in 2007. Including the people, offices and products.

IT was deal of over USD 2 Bn.

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animike says

This has become a palpable concern for me with the release of the iPad (which underwhelmed me btw despite being a mac loyalist for the past decade).

Is Flash dying? NO! Plain and simple. It will be around for a long time for many of the arguments michaelhejja has mentioned. HTML5 is the future of a lot of things to come, but Flash is simple to powerful and has too much penetration to simple hand over the reigns.

My main concern stems from the creation of ad banners using Flash. Ad banners do not define the limits of Flash’s creative potential. Especially since the industry standard is still stuck on a Flash 8 restriction based on user penetration, which according to a commenter in the link below is solely based on IE (is this true? i’m not sure). While banners are often times simple in their creativeness you have to consider the keynote for the iPad. Please read this article.

From the article:
So when people use the iPad’s web browser to visit their favorite newspaper (as Steve Jobs did in his keynote), they won’t see the ads at all. That either means advertisers will need to stop building ads in Flash (no chance) or publishers will need to build app versions of their publications upon the iPad SDK (software development kit), resulting in a lot more work, a lot more time, a lot more resources.

I agree with the author that there is no chance that flash will stop being the go to platform for banners, but the argument against has finally been brought into the lime light. Seeing that plugin sign on the iPad, not only disheartened me from wanting one (of course I was hoping for Flash on this product), but also made a lot of advertisers, agencies and creative professionals take notice since it is such a hot topic now. All three of these are influential in this discussion since advertisers pay the agencies and agencies pay the creatives. Money “may” talk or at least have a voice in this discussion, but Flash is safe for a while. It was money, after all, that put Flash where it is in the agency and advertising model. Who knows. In the end it might lead to more work for some people (making non Flash banners) or it might force some mobile devices to change their technology.

I am interested to watch the debate unfold. In the mean time I personally may start looking at HTML5 , despite knowing very little about it, just to see what all the excitement is about. Change AND adaptation is the nature of this industry.

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