(Locked) Is flash dying?

Why don’t you try to make something like THIS with HTML5 ?

Why don’t you try to make something like THIS with HTML5 ?

You can’t. Plain and simple. We’ll have to see if it is possible in 5 years. Remember what a bitch it was to blur things in Flash before flash 8? or animating before Tween engines? Technology will move faster than we can learn it.

Uhm, no. Flash is the most popular plugin of all time. It’s more of a web standard than the English language. This “Is Flash dying” rhetoric is only propagated by Apple fanboys, who instead of admitting their devices have a flaw, would rather just try to make Flash itself the problem.

Every single person I have seen complaining about Flash hasn’t even looked at it since the early 2000s. You are out of date. You are not relevant to the discussion. Unless you can bring forth valid arguments against the current Flash player and Actionscript 3, your thoughts are irrelevant.

All that said, Flash developers are the first ones to cringe at the misuse of Flash. Using Flash just to embed the font you want – not a good idea. When used properly, however, there is nothing out there on the web that can match the presentation and user experience.

Oh, yeah, and just another note that has been bothering me – the entire Envato marketplace was built on Flash, so you new players should show a little respect, because you wouldn’t even be here if it weren’t for guys like DigitalSciance. Can ya dig?

well said, you saved me typing

on the ipad demo they browse the cnn site, and cnn uses flash for video

Non-Flash devs hate Flash because they don’t benefit from it one bit. And it cuts into their profits.

So it’s hard to have a rational discussion since one side is so obviously biased (it should be noted that most Flash devs agree that Flash should only be used when appropriate, and we embrace HTML ).

Having said that,

It’s utterly ridiculous to disagree with the fact that Flash has been creating amazing experiences on the web for years. And it’s twice as ridiculous to think HTML can create comparable experiences.

In addition, it’s insanely frustrating that HTML devs continue to bring up the SEO argument. The last 5 websites I have produced are 100% flash, and just as SEO friendly as their HTML counterpart would be.

And lastly, the Apple conundrum. This ties in to the SEO thing. It is now possible to create HTML backups of Flash websites. So not only are the last 5 websites I’ve done optimized for search engines, they’re also quite presentable on the iPhone/iPad. Sure it’s a little extra work, but at the sake of creating a website that’s far superior in visuals and interactivity, it’s completely worth it.

Non-Flash devs hate Flash because they don’t benefit from it one bit. And it cuts into their profits.

So it’s hard to have a rational discussion since one side is so obviously biased (it should be noted that most Flash devs agree that Flash should only be used when appropriate, and we embrace HTML ).

Having said that,

It’s utterly ridiculous to disagree with the fact that Flash has been creating amazing experiences on the web for years. And it’s twice as ridiculous to think HTML can create comparable experiences.

In addition, it’s insanely frustrating that HTML devs continue to bring up the SEO argument. The last 5 websites I have produced are 100% flash, and just as SEO friendly as their HTML counterpart would be.

And lastly, the Apple conundrum. This ties in to the SEO thing. It is now possible to create HTML backups of Flash websites. So not only are the last 5 websites I’ve done optimized for search engines, they’re also quite presentable on the iPhone/iPad. Sure it’s a little extra work, but at the sake of creating a website that’s far superior in visuals and interactivity, it’s completely worth it.

Non-Flash devs hate Flash because they don’t benefit from it one bit. And it cuts into their profits.

Except when they use free Flash 3d components to spice up their ThemeForest templates to get more sales, then they’re ok with it

Apple doesn’t want Flash to run in their mobile web browser.

Why? They want apps in the app store. They want every app to go through their review process to ensure their customers that they are purchasing good, secure apps.

That doesn’t mean Flash is going to die. lol. Flash cs5 has an option to compile for an iPhone. So, you’ll still be able to use Flash to develop apps for iPhone/Pad… just not display in their mobile phone browser.

The amount of development time being put into the next generation of Flash/Flex products by Adobe is incredible. I don’t see Flash going away any time soon.

Also, Google has been working on a Flash spider to better index full Flash sites: http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/2008/06/improved-flash-indexing.html

I don’t how a tool can die. Will the number 2 pencil die because of Photoshop? AND a lot of businesses still using IE6 . Flash is here to stay.

This says it all: http://isflashdead.com !

This says it all: http://isflashdead.com !

It’s interesting they didn’t use Flash for that site