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FinalDestiny
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I’m a coder and I’ve been looking for a good designer in the last few days, but most of them request large sums of money for work they can do in 2 or 3 days.

I was wondering, how many days does one work at a WP theme? More than 1 week? Of course, I’m not talking here about something absolutely incredible, unique, etc etc, I’m talking about a good-looking theme that would get approved to TF.

I talked to a designer here 2 or 3 days ago and he requested $1500 for a theme that would be added on TF.

In my country, the average salary is around $600 per month, and this guy was asking for $1500. I know, top designers probably charge a lot, but not all the designers are really top designers and can charge 2000-3000$ for a psd template… and coded in HTML /CSS. And he was not from US or UK, etc, he was from India.

If he was asking for $1500 or 2000$, then me, as a coder, should ask for $5000 for a WP psd -> HTML ? Because let’s face it, coding is way more difficult than designing.

So now I’m thinking…Is it worth learning web design? As a coder? After how much time one can become a good designer and do some great stuff? Or should I use that time on improving the coding skills and just hire a web designer to do the design stuff for me?

What’s the average price you’d ask for a nice theme? PSD + HTML /CSS.

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I was wondering, how many days does one work at a WP theme? More than 1 week?

Months. Once you have a solid framework, you can churn them out a bit faster. But to develop a theme that would be accepted here from scratch takes months.

I talked to a designer here 2 or 3 days ago and he requested $1500 for a theme that would be added on TF.

$1500 is not much for a quality designed theme. I have no idea how good the guy is of course.

If he was asking for $1500 or 2000$, then me, as a coder, should ask for $5000 for a WP psd -> HTML ? Because let’s face it, coding is way more difficult than designing.

I’m a coder as well. Comparing the “difficulty” of designing and coding is apples and oranges. Great design is very difficult. Just like people who don’t know how to code don’t understand its complexities, people who don’t know how to design can’t fathom its intricacies. All else being equal, I think it’s probably easier to learn how to be a good coder than to learn how to be a good designer.

So now I’m thinking…Is it worth learning web design? As a coder? After how much time one can become a good designer and do some great stuff? Or should I use that time on improving the coding skills and just hire a web designer to do the design stuff for me?

It’s certainly worth it to learn design skills. I believe you need to have a solid foundation on both ends – design and development – to be effective, even if you focus on one. Don’t expect to “learn design” in a few weeks or even a few months. It’s a long process to become proficient.

I’d urge you not to undervalue quality designers – they are hard to come by! :)

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CyberShot
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what may be more easy to come by is a good designer that doesn’t want to code. I would suggest that you try to find a partnership. I have had two partners from themeforest and both of them have been able to design templates that have been accepted. They designed, I coded and we split the profit. I am currently working with a third partner and will be attempting a submission very soon.

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Because let’s face it, coding is way more difficult than designing.

Yeah design is a piece of cake, easiest thing in the world. I suggest learning it because it’s not worth spending your cash on a designer. Plus it’s really easy to get accepted on ThemeForest, you won’t have any problems.

- Chris

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Because let’s face it, coding is way more difficult than designing.

Typical big headed web developer, try getting a premium psd onto Themeforest and tell me again, that coding is way easier than designing. Anyone can design, but not anybody can do a premium design.
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mikedidthis
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Because let’s face it, coding is way more difficult than designing.

Your not going to win many friends with that attitude. Please don’t be so naive.

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Anps
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I was wondering, how many days does one work at a WP theme? More than 1 week?

Months. Once you have a solid framework, you can churn them out a bit faster. But to develop a theme that would be accepted here from scratch takes months.

I talked to a designer here 2 or 3 days ago and he requested $1500 for a theme that would be added on TF.

$1500 is not much for a quality designed theme. I have no idea how good the guy is of course.

If he was asking for $1500 or 2000$, then me, as a coder, should ask for $5000 for a WP psd -> HTML ? Because let’s face it, coding is way more difficult than designing.

I’m a coder as well. Comparing the “difficulty” of designing and coding is apples and oranges. Great design is very difficult. Just like people who don’t know how to code don’t understand its complexities, people who don’t know how to design can’t fathom its intricacies. All else being equal, I think it’s probably easier to learn how to be a good coder than to learn how to be a good designer.

So now I’m thinking…Is it worth learning web design? As a coder? After how much time one can become a good designer and do some great stuff? Or should I use that time on improving the coding skills and just hire a web designer to do the design stuff for me?

It’s certainly worth it to learn design skills. I believe you need to have a solid foundation on both ends – design and development – to be effective, even if you focus on one. Don’t expect to “learn design” in a few weeks or even a few months. It’s a long process to become proficient.

I’d urge you not to undervalue quality designers – they are hard to come by! :)

I just fell in love with you! :) Since i mostly do just design, i had mat a lot of people this way, they just put down the the design at this notion “it’s just playing around with photoshop”. Gues this guys don’t get it good idea is a first step to success and design is an idea which is put out by imagination. A lot of people have imagination but the designers are the ones that have the skill to see the blured vision crispier and actually are able to put it on the “screen”. And the time frame of the turn around time is just to relative to debate, since when u have a moment of inspiration a great idea it just fells in to the place and u can put it out really fast! Since if we charge you all creative moments every time that we search inspiration in eating, walk, drink, breath we would drive you nuts. So this kind of thinking is actually insulting and degrades a designer!

It’s kind of the same way if i sad, you programmers actually just take already made template and copy paste code from the internet in it and your knowledge isn’t worth a squash since u have everything on internet!

Cheers!

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Because let’s face it, coding is way more difficult than designing.

Yeah design is a piece of cake, easiest thing in the world. I suggest learning it because it’s not worth spending your cash on a designer. Plus it’s really easy to get accepted on ThemeForest, you won’t have any problems.

- Chris

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Being a good designer requires talent. Being a good coder requires brains and knowledge.

Finaldestiny: If you think designing is so easy, why the heck do you need to hire a designer? Why not do it your self?

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Anps
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Well ok lets be honest a god coder need the way of thinking, not everyone is born so logical and that doesn’t mean that they don’t have brains :P

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Because let’s face it, coding is way more difficult than designing.

Yeah design is a piece of cake, easiest thing in the world. I suggest learning it because it’s not worth spending your cash on a designer. Plus it’s really easy to get accepted on ThemeForest, you won’t have any problems.

- Chris

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Being a good designer requires talent. Being a good coder requires brains and knowledge.

Finaldestiny: If you think designing is so easy, why the heck do you need to hire a designer? Why not do it your self?

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