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Anps says

It sounds almost like a… no wait it does… it is …a CHALLENGE !!! :) He basically slapped you with a glove :)

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mabuc says
If you have the PSD , I really can’t see how a coder takes more than 2 weeks to code it in WP, even without a framework.

if you can code premium WP in less than 2 weeks I’m sure you did not sleep/rest at all ;)

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Because, doing NICE themes that look ok is a standard thing any good designer should be able to do.

Perhaps, but themes that just “look ok” won’t be accepted here. There are many nice, okay themes that get rejected every day.

Months. Once you have a solid framework, you can churn them out a bit faster. But to develop a theme that would be accepted here from scratch takes months.
As I said, I was reffering to the PSD + HTML /CSS version and not the WP / joomla version.

No, reread your original post. You asked, “I was wondering, how many days does one work at a WP theme? More than 1 week?”, and that’s what I was responding to.

And let’s face it, months? You’ve got to be kidding me. If you have the PSD , I really can’t see how a coder takes more than 2 weeks to code it in WP, even without a framework.

I’m sorry, but clearly you have never developed a premium WordPress theme :)

Keep in mind that building a theme designed for a single site is significantly different than building a theme for sale. Yeah, you could knock out a simple website by writing a theme from scratch in a few weeks. To build a robust, quality theme to ThemeForest standards takes a lot more time and effort.

And I really don’t agree with the fact that a designer is more expensive than a coder and that a coder should earn less than a designer.

I didn’t see anyone say that, but maybe I missed it.

I agree that 50/50 generally isn’t a fair split between designer and developer here – but this is due to the fact that the developer ends up doing more work in the long run (because of support) – not because the developer’s work is harder or takes more skill (design takes just as much, if not more at times).

Becoming either an expert coder or expert designer is very difficult; neither should undervalue the other. Moreover, you should always have respect for those who do something that you cannot; especially when those people are vital to your profession.

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FinalDestiny says
A homepage can take me between 7 – 10 hours to design, maybe 5 to code. That is just one page.
that would be around 12-15 hours, splitted probably in two days. That’s 500 euro per page. 5 pages => 2500 euros. different variations of the pages(like full width page, left sidebar, right sidebar, etc.. or 2 rows portfolio/3 rows portfolio/4 rows, etc) would probably double the sum.

Who would pay 5000 euros for one theme? Definitely not many people. If it’s a good theme, I could probably make those money back on TF, but if it’s a single theme I want to use on one project, 5000 is definitely too much. If I wouldn’t be a coder, the coding should take 5000 as well? 10,000 for just one wordpress website? Sorry but it’s not too realistic.

@BroMontana I didn’t say I could design/code a theme in a week or so.

Guys, chill, I don’t want to offend anyone, I opened this topic for constructive purposes, I want to improve myself and, why not, start doing some work here.

I have a lot to learn in WP, designing for TF is way different than designing for a customer or for a single website.

And, as a student, there’s no way I could afford an expert designer for myself. And partnerships, 50-50, from mikedidthis’s point of view, yeah, that would be fine. But how many designers do all that stuff? 50-50 with an great designer is OK.

But I’m looking for just a junior average designer, where both of them would work with passion and improve ourselves.

:)

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wickedpixel says

I don’t think any designer would ask 50-50. Where did you come up with that? Maybe a front-end designer/developer would ask that. Not someone that only gives you a psd…

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FinalDestiny says

Eww, yeah, I was wrong with that 2 weeks, probably it would take 2 weeks with a framework you could use..

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mikedidthis says

Its worth mentioning that once one page is designed, the others usually take less time due to the site / basic styles being designed / coded.

I think you just answered your own question.

At the moment you can’t afford a good, experienced designer, and need to find a junior, or someone who is looking to get into the game, and work with them.

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FinalDestiny says

I don’t think any designer would ask 50-50. Where did you come up with that? Maybe a front-end designer/developer would ask that. Not someone that only gives you a psd…

I checked some similar topics here and thats what some guys asked for :)

mikedidthis so, should I look for a junior designer that has potential? Same thing is with me. I’m ready to work as much as needed in order to get something great in the end. But the design matters a lot, as the other users pointed.

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Anps says

I don’t think any designer would ask 50-50. Where did you come up with that? Maybe a front-end designer/developer would ask that. Not someone that only gives you a psd…

why not?

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mikedidthis says

I think maybe sitting downing and working out what you want from all this may help.

Find a niche, something you enjoy making. Get on Dribbble or Forrst and see who you can work with.

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