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ToivoMedia says

So what’s the magic number where you may get your funds frozen? The biggest withdrawal I’ve made is $900, and I haven’t had this problem.

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Creattive says

So what’s the magic number where you may get your funds frozen? The biggest withdrawal I’ve made is $900, and I haven’t had this problem.

there is no magic number, it’s pretty random I think. You can read about cases with 20,000$ frozen, some with only $500. There are good chances you will never stumble upon such problems or they will get resolved easily with only a copy of your passport or whatever. 99.9% don’t have any problems. the 0.1% is what paypal uses to make money. If you like to gamble, use it :)

I stopped sending my envato earnings to paypal as soon as I got rather succesfull on the marketplaces. Swift transfer is the way to go. It is also a better deal when changing from dollars to euro, as paypal has a very bad exchange rate.

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have you ever did a google search for “paypal scam” themeflame? I highly doubt it. But it’s nice that you got your money back after sending them some formulars. Not everyone is that lucky.

Indeed, I did. Have I forgotten to mention that I’ve also had problems with them? And I was also shocked by the horror stories. I’m a victim aswell. Being uper-duper-subjective is really easy, but trying to see past your own “hurt” is a thing hard to be done.

Edit: I personally lost a lot with such processors. By a lot, I mean a lot. But I realized it was only and only my fault. No money-processor has something personal with you. It’s all bot-based in the first phase, then a person will check, if needed – but if you’re all clear, they shall lift it.

The real world works kind of different: PayPal is a monster, it’s huge. It has millions and millions of users. Businesses trust it with their money. I do realize that maybe PayPal could freeze my account one day, but so far it’s done its duties. Searching for “PayPal scam story” or “PayPam horror story” brings only about ~2 million links, of which many could be duplicates or the same thing. That, versus the total users of PayPal. Now if you look objectively, you can only drawn the conclusion of “Hey, actually I am wrong and the guys at PayPal are actually just having a super severe & cautious system.” Which, by the way – works as good as possible towards preventing scams. Think of it this way:
1) An unverified account may look “suspicious” – so if somehow you get hacked and the money are wired, they’ll freeze it instantly, it’s what happened with my first account (I’ve gotten a big payment.). That will help them pursue the incident
. 2) Got a payment? Well, if you’re too hasty with buying stuff, you may get it frozen. PayPal is known for recognizing such behaviour (if repeating) dangerous. Or so people report. And it makes sense from a logical point of view.
Yes, they’re a business and a business’ only goal is to make money, their only goal. (Shouldn’t and they don’t care about community.), but I’m sure as hell a business like that isn’t built on screwing people over.

So, once again – just tweet them and if you’re all alright, they shall lift it.

All the best.

To add some more: SWIFT is the way to go for real huge sums. Always best. Skrill – I’ve spoken with some buddies that receive huge payments on there and they say it’s fine. But once again – for every 10 happy customers, there may yet be one that sees things as “unfair” and feels he was cheated.

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have you ever did a google search for “paypal scam” themeflame? I highly doubt it. But it’s nice that you got your money back after sending them some formulars. Not everyone is that lucky.

Indeed, I did. Have I forgotten to mention that I’ve also had problems with them? And I was also shocked by the horror stories. I’m a victim aswell. Being uper-duper-subjective is really easy, but trying to see past your own “hurt” is a thing hard to be done.

The real world works kind of different: PayPal is a monster, it’s huge. It has millions and millions of users. Businesses trust it with their money. I do realize that maybe PayPal could freeze my account one day, but so far it’s done its duties. Searching for “PayPal scam story” or “PayPam horror story” brings only about ~2 million links, of which many could be duplicates or the same thing. That, versus the total users of PayPal. Now if you look objectively, you can only drawn the conclusion of “Hey, actually I am wrong and the guys at PayPal are actually just having a super severe & cautious system.” Which, by the way – works as good as possible towards preventing scams. Think of it this way:
1) An unverified account may look “suspicious” – so if somehow you get hacked and the money are wired, they’ll freeze it instantly, it’s what happened with my first account (I’ve gotten a big payment.). That will help them pursue the incident
. 2) Got a payment? Well, if you’re too hasty with buying stuff, you may get it frozen. PayPal is known for recognizing such behaviour (if repeating) dangerous. Or so people report. And it makes sense from a logical point of view.
Yes, they’re a business and a business’ only goal is to make money, their only goal. (Shouldn’t and they don’t care about community.), but I’m sure as hell a business like that isn’t built on screwing people over.

So, once again – just tweet them and if you’re all alright, they shall lift it.

All the best.

I can just tell from what I’ve read so far. So it’s not my own experience (as I said I don’t use paypal for my earnings here). They are sometimes asking for proof that is not existing, for example they want to have proof from where you get your shop-articles, although you sell templates.

They are used worldwide in tens of millions shops possibly. I said in an earlier post, 99.9% will never have a problem with them. 0.1% will. So in the end we still have a lot of people trusting paypal and giving it it’s reputation of a good business partner that it needs to survive. 0.1% will help paypal make some extra money.

You say: paypal is so big, it can not be scam. I say: Paypal is so big, nobody cares if they scam 0.1% of their users, although that is still thousands of people.

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themeflame says

Our discussion is of polemic nature, therefore not leading anywhere and I suggest its ending. Don’t argue based on what you read, the human nature is exactly this; “Oh, something bad has happened to me so I shall seek outer reasons for that, it cannot be me.”. I’m sure the 1* ratings that you are aware of (hopefully) are proof to aid that. So therefore coming forward based on such things is a waste of space and time.

Never said PayPal cannot be a scam. I’m just saying how it works and how they PERSONALLY don’t have anything with anyone. There are just some red flags that set an alarm. That’s it. It is unfortunate, indeed, that it happened once again – but if the man is alright “in papers”, he’ll be fine.

All the best.

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Creattive says

I’m okay with that, it is more a thing of what you want to believe or not I guess.

But my sources are not people who didn’t prove anything or just said “paypal is scam” without any explanation. Not sure if you understood it that way. I’m not subjective here as I am not involved personally, I’d guess. Here in germany, we have some TV reports about it where they show that paypal doesn’t unlock the account even after you provide everything you can. If that is scam or a non-working system, whatever. It is surely just a small percentage at the end of the day. Everyone has to decide on their own.

For myself, I just decided that the small possibility of getting into problems is reason enough to avoid it whenever I can. Everyone can make his own mind about it.

All the best to you, too.

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Gewora says

Our discussion is of polemic nature, therefore not leading anywhere and I suggest its ending. Don’t argue based on what you read, the human nature is exactly this; “Oh, something bad has happened to me so I shall seek outer reasons for that, it cannot be me.”. I’m sure the 1* ratings that you are aware of (hopefully) are proof to aid that. So therefore coming forward based on such things is a waste of space and time.

Never said PayPal cannot be a scam. I’m just saying how it works and how they PERSONALLY don’t have anything with anyone. There are just some red flags that set an alarm. That’s it. It is unfortunate, indeed, that it happened once again – but if the man is alright “in papers”, he’ll be fine.

All the best.

Sorry but it seems like that you have not much experience with PayPal.

PayPal is a scam, and will ever be. You hay had luck that you were not in such a situation yet, but it is a known fact that PayPal freezes accounts when there is some money on it.

There were even reports on the TV. It doe snot matter if your account is verified or not. It can work fine for months (or even years), and then they freeze it all. That can be 200$ or 200,000$.

PayPal is from eBay. They are a profit seeking company. They use all their possibilities to get your money.

As already stated before, many parts of their legal agreements are not even legal in europe. But they do not care since PayPal keeps they money flowing around the world which is very important for the economy.

I would withdraw any income that you get on your PayPal account, immediately to your bank account. Never ever keep more then 100$ on your PayPal account. It is simply not worth to take the high risk to lose it all.

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Protest says

They’ll ask of you for: A picture of some bills, a picture of your credit card (You can cover the first 8 numbers of your credit card number.), perhaps the Identity Card with some info erased. If you provide them these, in theory – the limit shall be lifted.

Also, try to keep a smiley face – they’re being tweeted a lot, so they might be slow.

All the best.

I provided details like that and I was also unfrozen after maybe a day or two. Even without any tweets.
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MikeSea says

Very interesting thread (or should I say threat?). How about payoneer?

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Firsh says

I’m also interested in if Payoneer does this or not? So far they are very trustworthy!

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