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BrianCoyDesign says

I was looking at some of the items in the marketplace and one item in particular (which I won’t point out) had major prospective errors and made its way into the marketplace.

I know our files are checked to make sure they match up with the submission guidelines and there are many rejections to keep quality up. But sometimes I really find myself scratching my head and trying to figure out why one item makes it in and another doesn’t.

Are reviewers looking beyond structure and what appears often to be personal preference?

Should there be more transparency on items to avoid them being submitted until they meet some standards?

I think the marketplace should have an area where rejected files can be commented on and voted by the authors for submission. Basically a board of designers whom have reached a particular level of sales whom can overrule the reviewers rejection on an item (provided it matches up with the guidelines).

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redeffect says

That’s why we need authors only forum, so we can point out for items for copyright and other issues.

And +1 for board of designers idea. :-)

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CRSDesign says

Yes I board of designers would be good. I’m sure some items get turned down that shouldn’t and some items get through that shouldn’t as well. Even if it only has the power to give suggestions to the reviewing staff. Only problem is I bet everyone who has a file rejected will want to put the file infront of the board!

Nobody wants to believe their artwork isn’t up to scratch. And some of the items people post on the item discussion forum and then can’t understand why it wasn’t accepted are truely terrible (they ask what’s wrong and you don’t even know where to start!).

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wattscreative says

Yeah this is definitely a difficult one, while I’m sure there are guidelines for the reviewers to follow, I can’t help feeling that some rejections (and approvals too) result purely from the reviewers own opinions!

I don’t think a board of designers is necessary or a good thing though, it sounds elitest and potentially even more frustrating! I think the envato team generally do a great job they just need a boost in consistency and to eradicate their reviewers opinions (sounds harsh but you know what I mean)! If the file is made to their standards guidelines, unique and well put together, surely that’s all that matters – let the buyers decide if the style is right for them!

I have had feedback from reviewers that sounded entirely opinionated and in one instance completely the opposite of what I was trying to achieve with the style of the file. I felt like saying – “OK, well you make it then and when you’re happy with it let me know and I’ll resubmit it!” Don’t get me wrong, I can take criticism and feedback and in most cases have used it to improve my file (and was warranted) but in a couple of cases I have found it seriously frustrating and have had to restrain myself. Especially when I see some of the stuff that has been deemed as satisfactory!

I think a better way could be to pass submissions through multiple reviewers who each have a vote to accept or reject and the majority rules!

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CRSDesign says
wattscreative said
Yeah this is definitely a difficult one, while I’m sure there are guidelines for the reviewers to follow, I can’t help feeling that some rejections (and approvals too) result purely from the reviewers own opinions!

I don’t think a board of designers is necessary or a good thing though, it sounds elitest and potentially even more frustrating! I think the envato team generally do a great job they just need a boost in consistency and to eradicate their reviewers opinions (sounds harsh but you know what I mean)! If the file is made to their standards guidelines, unique and well put together, surely that’s all that matters – let the buyers decide if the style is right for them!

I have had feedback from reviewers that sounded entirely opinionated and in one instance completely the opposite of what I was trying to achieve with the style of the file. I felt like saying – “OK, well you make it then and when you’re happy with it let me know and I’ll resubmit it!” Don’t get me wrong, I can take criticism and feedback and in most cases have used it to improve my file (and was warranted) but in a couple of cases I have found it seriously frustrating and have had to restrain myself. Especially when I see some of the stuff that has been deemed as satisfactory!

I think a better way could be to pass submissions through multiple reviewers who each have a vote to accept or reject and the majority rules!

I’ve changed my mind, this sounds like a much better solution. And I’ve got to say that I think 95% of the time the reviewers do get it right. But the problem with design and art in general is that it is all about opinions. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and what one person likes another hates.

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BrianCoyDesign says
CRSWebDesign said
wattscreative said
Yeah this is definitely a difficult one, while I’m sure there are guidelines for the reviewers to follow, I can’t help feeling that some rejections (and approvals too) result purely from the reviewers own opinions!

I don’t think a board of designers is necessary or a good thing though, it sounds elitest and potentially even more frustrating! I think the envato team generally do a great job they just need a boost in consistency and to eradicate their reviewers opinions (sounds harsh but you know what I mean)! If the file is made to their standards guidelines, unique and well put together, surely that’s all that matters – let the buyers decide if the style is right for them!

I have had feedback from reviewers that sounded entirely opinionated and in one instance completely the opposite of what I was trying to achieve with the style of the file. I felt like saying – “OK, well you make it then and when you’re happy with it let me know and I’ll resubmit it!” Don’t get me wrong, I can take criticism and feedback and in most cases have used it to improve my file (and was warranted) but in a couple of cases I have found it seriously frustrating and have had to restrain myself. Especially when I see some of the stuff that has been deemed as satisfactory!

I think a better way could be to pass submissions through multiple reviewers who each have a vote to accept or reject and the majority rules!
I’ve changed my mind, this sounds like a much better solution. And I’ve got to say that I think 95% of the time the reviewers do get it right. But the problem with design and art in general is that it is all about opinions. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and what one person likes another hates.

I agree a much better idea. And for the most part the reviewers do a great job and I appreciate feedback so this is no slam on them.

I just think that because someone can’t understand how a client would use the element isn’t enough to keep it from the marketplace. If the files are put together properly, the art is clean and meets basic guidelines float it out there. Let me as an author bring my customers here to buy it.

I know that my most purchased file on the marketplace wouldn’t make it in should it have been submitted today only because of the amount of opinion that seems to be entering into the marketplace reviews.

Just as an example while someone may like a particular style which seems to be on fire personally doesn’t mean that the marketplace should be flooded with them and exclude others. If Envato is moving towards a larger audience base then you need variety. And some purchasers may just want that illustration of a clown picking his nose for an internal newsletter (bad example). I think you get the idea.

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