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Denoizzed says

Well, Kaillon has submitted his last item a year ago.

I understand your point and I also was thinking so but later I also understood that my work was not of high quality.

It’s arguable that community can vote for themes since one can bring his friends or vote with proxy so many bad themes can be approved this way.

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eloquent_us says

Your criticism was that the reviewers should not be allowed to sell items on the marketplace as they are bias and want to maximise there own sales by rejecting good templates and accepting mediocre and poor templates. This clearly is not as the standard of items for sale has never been higher.

I am sorry it seems that you don’t understand me. This is not about how do we fare now. But if we can do better.

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eloquent_us says

Well, Kaillon has submitted his last item a year ago.

I understand your point and I also was thinking so but later I also understood that my work was not of high quality.

It’s arguable that community can vote for themes since one can bring his friends or vote with proxy so many bad themes can be approved this way.

Sure it is the possibility. But reviewer still stands at the end of the line and can say yes or no.

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Ivor Envato team says

I’m an active author and I have 3 themes almost ready to go :grin: For the record, we don’t review our themes, we upload the file and another reviewer check the item. Why we have to quit as authors? That’s not fair even Collis (Our CEO ) sells his stuff.

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eloquent_us says

I’m an active author and I have 3 themes almost ready to go :grin: For the record, we don’t review our themes, we upload the file and another reviewer check the item. Why we have to quit as authors? That’s not fair even Collis (Our CEO ) sells his stuff.

Well it’s the principle that matters in the real world. If you are going to be the jury you can’t compete at the same time. Otherwise there is a possibility that you are biased, voluntarily or not. It’s just not the way it’s done if you are serious body/organization.

Would you like to take a part in art competition where you know that people who are judging have their entries too? Well, theme selling is also a competition.

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eloquent_us says

The review procedure should be more transparent.

What I suggest is that authors can vote (“like”) submitted entries. And like I said in previous post, then the reviewer can pick most voted entries, correct them, and send for sales.

From the UI perspective it can function like a thumbnail gallery with visible number of votes and the status of the entry: pending, approved, rejected.

In addition rejected entries should be accompanied with the exact reason for rejections and stay visible all the time. So that authors can learn from other people mistakes. This way you will educate new authors much faster than it is now. Now they can only learn on their own mistakes (sometimes not even that, because reviewer can post generic rejection text)

Theme Forest is living on the sweat of those same authors. I think it is fair that it can give them back at least that much.

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BroOf says

If you let users decide it will become even more nontransparent! There will be people who always vote against other themes or usergroups which will vote for low quality themes.

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eloquent_us says

If you let users decide it will become even more nontransparent! There will be people who always vote against other themes or usergroups which will vote for low quality themes.

There shouldn’t be negative voting. Just positive. Like on Facebook, if you like something you click ‘like’. And at the end reviewer is again the judge. But now you can see what he picked, and what he did not, and why he did not. Reviewer can get info what people think is good and it can influence his decision in cases when he is in doubt. Also he can’t dismiss a theme that is liked by many people without strong reason.

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Siddharth Envato team says

For the tens of hundreds of theme submissions across the board here on TF alone, a community based review process is going to be fairly clunky. There is actually a chance of more bias since it’d become a matter of which author has the most contacts.

I personally take offense against your accusation of reviewer bias. You can take all four of us [Me, Jarel, Kailoon and Ivor] and see how many items we have put on sale in the past year.

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eloquent_us says

For the tens of hundreds of theme submissions across the board here on TF alone, a community based review process is going to be fairly clunky. There is actually a chance of more bias since it’d become a matter of which author has the most contacts. I personally take offense against your accusation of reviewer bias. You can take all four of us [Me, Jarel, Kailoon and Ivor] and see how many items we have put on sale in the past year.

I am not accusing anybody. I am just saying that wisdom of the community can promote good stuff up and therefore bring more quality in. One man is just one man. He can be expert in Photoshop and design, but, is he at the same time expert in user experience? In site SEO ? Can he make mistake?

In this case community wisdom and voting is reality check for the reviewer.

BTW if there are so many submissions across the board and reviewer splits his work hours between designing themes and judging submissions what can authors expect? To which duty he will give priority and his 100%?

What I am trying to say is that you can’t be at two places at the same time.

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