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cyzer says

I have 60% drop in sales in compared to December and 50% in compare to months before December. So yes I blame search engine, cause only thing I sell now…SOMETIMES is my old templates I made years ago that was popular then.

yes because search is unusable – if you search for “sexy logo” you get logos which doesn’t even have anything to do with “sexy”.... I don’t understand how is that so…

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VF says


@KingDog, is it possible for you to post here the entire list of search related suggestions made on various threads in the past few years? I guess it would save lot of time for everyone and would be very helpful.
just searching on forum is a nightmare, imagine trying to read thousands of post trying to find suggestions that apply to the search system. :D I think KingDog has a life, doesn’t want to go into the mountains and lose years to find these suggestions.

I meant a list which already prepared by KingDog in the recent years. In the suggestion threads we got informed that inputs are always noted. Listing those on this thread will help authors to “not to” repeat the same points here.

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doru says

I meant a list which already prepared by KingDog in the recent years. In the suggestion threads we got informed that inputs are always noted. Listing those on this thread will help authors to “not to” repeat the same points here.

well then it will be apiece of cake to cut and paste the list here

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Relevance in a decreasing importance should be:
  • tag(because tags are limited to 15 and author has to have a really good through out thought before sumbitting item, so tag should be the biggest boost in relevance).
  • Description ( into the description authors write all the summary about item in more details, technical aspects, information about usability, items advantages)
  • Rating ( this should be high enough)
  • Item title (this one is really not so important sometimes because many authors tend to pick creative names which would just sound good like BlacKnight; Ultima; Vertical world.. and so on. So it is really wrong thing to make the highest boost depended on item title. If i would search for some soda drink in the world food market it shouldnt give me all the drinks with word “soda” in the name, it should give me cocacola sprite fanta mountain dew. And when i am searching for some holidays in mountains it shouldnt give me mountain dew as top match. Forget the items name. Its least relevant in videohive.
  • Date of upload ( in example: two items of same tags same descriptions should be sorted newer at first older second)
  • Sales ( this one gets attention when items are sorted by sales)
  • Category (only comes as a bonus if tag or description matches)

Search result relevancy a bit trickier than saying “order by tag_match, this, this” like you would with a database for instance. But, yes, some of the boosts we’ve got in there at the moment aren’t ideal at all.

Category is probably too high, tags are probably too low. Dynamic values like ratings and sales, need to be handled carefully, as we want to balance exposing new items vs showing proven existing items.


Main thing: Separate the searche for every marketplace. As I now understand the same laws applies to all marketplaces and same search is used across all items. This is very very very very wrong. You cannot make the same search work for themeforest and grapgic river and videohive. Each marketplace has its own need and numbers.

+1 definitely this. The core logic of search does work across sites fine – all sites have the same model of what an item looks like, and the same code for handling them. But there are globally defined constants used for boosts that need to work differently in different places. This is doable, we just haven’t done it yet. Is something in the near future though. The actual UI to drive that is the more challenging part to build. That’s something else that is being worked on.


I have 60% drop in sales in compared to December and 50% in compare to months before December. So yes I blame search engine, cause only thing I sell now…SOMETIMES is my old templates I made years ago that was popular then.

The old search four months ago worked perfectly. All the boosts and relevance were really balanced. I would suggest just reverse engineer the old search. Take a look how and what made impact and importance to items in the old search and do the same as it was. Trying to invent a bycicle is a waste of time… and unfortunetly for us authors this time costs money. Already loosing 30% to 40% of whole monthly amount i should be earning and just because of search change.

Search as of four months ago basically just boosted by total sales. It was pretty naive.

Great for established authors with a strong portfolio with existing old sales, but not great for anyone else – especially new authors trying to break in. The old way was not sustainable, and would not have helped the marketplace sites in the long run at all. Either for authors or buyers.

The search changes have rebalanced what gets exposed, and when new items move up for popular search terms, other items have to move down. Not everything can be in 1st place forever.

I can understand that this sucks if you’ve been getting consistent good sales for a while off an existing body of work, and suddenly it changes. Unfortunately, the scales were tipped too far favouring a smaller group of authors for too long, and it hurts a bit when we need to rebalance it. :(

However, saying that, total sales on videohive have been up the last few months. January was particularly strong, February is looking on track to be great too. We track conversion of clickthrough from search through to item pages then through to purchase carefully, and this has improved as search changes have been deployed.

The key thing we want is that buyers find what they are after, and as many authors as possible can earn from their work. Good content sells, and that is what we’re trying to encourage, and bring to the top of search results. Exactly what is “good content” can be subjective, and we’re still figuring out the exact details of how that works. Total sales is part of it, recent sales is part of it, ratings is part of it, dozens of other metrics we don’t expose are part of it.



@KingDog, is it possible for you to post here the entire list of search related suggestions made on various threads in the past few years? I guess it would save lot of time for everyone and would be very helpful.
just searching on forum is a nightmare, imagine trying to read thousands of post trying to find suggestions that apply to the search system. :D I think KingDog has a life, doesn’t want to go into the mountains and lose years to find these suggestions.

Yup. We want to move forum search off the old search platform too. It’s a mess :mad:. We’ll get item search sorted properly first before moving onto that though. The forum search code is pretty independent of item search code, so there’s no huge urgency to get it done though.


a quick suggestion: it’s absolutely mandatory to implement some way to EXCLUDE keywords from searches. it’s surprising that there is no way to search, for example, for corporate tracks which does NOT include ukulele in the tags.

Yup. That would be good. Needs some thought on the best way for us to expose that easily though – and time to build it. Prioritisation is hard :S


yes because search is unusable – if you search for “sexy logo” you get logos which doesn’t even have anything to do with “sexy”.... I don’t understand how is that so…

Unfortunately, there aren’t that many videohive items that are relevant for “sexy logo”. It’s a problem with the content not being there, not with search not finding it. The results that come back all have a very low relevancy score, so more direct hits would place higher – they just aren’t there for that term. Could be a good market niche to get into if anyone wants to start creating new “sexy logo” items… :)

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cyzer says

Unfortunately, there aren’t that many videohive items that are relevant for “sexy logo”. It’s a problem with the content not being there, not with search not finding it. The results that come back all have a very low relevancy score, so more direct hits would place higher – they just aren’t there for that term. Could be a good market niche to get into if anyone wants to start creating new “sexy logo” items… :)

Well at least items which has something to do with “sexy”(tag,description) could be higher than those who doesnt have anything at all or have just a similar word.

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Amaksi says

sales were up 13.02 almost every day. Then no one! What happened! almost 2 weeks!

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Stockwaves says

AJ search is working fine for me, good steady sales all the way since last year.

If anything, there could be more search weight to “user rating” instead of just “item rating”. I have about 100 items, 15 ratings, but only 2 of those items are showing the ratings. So sorting by item rating only helps items already selling. Maybe this is a catch 22 but making use of “user rating” in one way or another would be useful I think.

I generally find that a high rated user continually produces new high quality tracks, so sorting by user rating somehow would make sense, at least to me. It would be especially important the days (day) following a track approval, when you have 0 item sales, 0 item ratings, and just a short window of opportunity of people finding the item before it’s gone forever.

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leto says

Hello, I already mentioned this earlier but it`s the same for almost a month. When you tape “news” in the search bar and sort it “by sales” you will get this http://audiojungle.net/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&order_by=sales&term=news&page=1. It`s funny because none of them are news music. It really ruined my sales because it should be as it is in news category http://audiojungle.net/category/music/corporate/news?utf8=%E2%9C%93&sort_by=sales_count&categories=music%2Fcorporate%2Fnews Hope you will solve this or maybe add individual News category as it is on VH.

Have a nice day and thanks in advance!

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sunchannelmusic says

Hey Madlep, thanks for all your work. Are these bug fixes also being implemented across all marketplaces including AJ?

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cyzer says

Sunchannel yes it is. We dont have separate searches.

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