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Svipic says

Hey to all Authors here,

I am really appreciate all the work you’v done and i spent here big amount of money to support authors and buy great products.

But i have to admit it, Themeforest Templates got more mess from time to time with all the Shortcodes used in wordpress themes.

There is SHORTCODE HELL here I even can’t understand how Envato accepting authors using so much Shortcodes in there template when actually we got not a modular templates here but full of mess and lack of user experience or user interface and ease of use of WordPress witch wordpress meant to be.

Why do developers use shortcodes for layout purposes in the first place? Guys, Its not what it meant to be. Maybe its easier and quicker for the developer than building custom widgets to control homepage layout elements but its definitely Wrong solution folks. You are messing all the thing up. How can it be that i am gonna have TONS of shortcodes in my tinymce editor for just trying to use the layout that was gonna be in a template level?

Are Page Templates all that difficult to create? Are Widgets or Meta boxes so difficult to add?

I don’t know why, but its like developers trying to do the thing fast without any thought of how End User without programming experience can handle it or use it.

How can it be, that WHOLE THEME LAYOUT built with Shortcodes from Home page to pages and etc…

I think Envato need to publish guidelines for how shortcodes should be used in Themes.

I personally see Lack in knowledge in theme developing when using Shortcodes almost for everything/

With all the respect to all authors here, i think they are doing wrong when using Shortcode for layout purpose. Its actually jailing the user in to a theme, and when you want to move your site from one theme to another, sky will fall on you cuz themes doesn’t have all this Shortcodes and you will end up with Bunch Of Shortcodes in your content.

Sorry for my english…

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aleluja says

There comes in place the new rule – shortcodes in plugins, so when user switches the theme the shortcodes are still gonna work.

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Svipic says

Yep agree with you, But i don’t think that theme author need to force users in using shortcodes for building a layout. Layout must be done in template level and not shortcode.


There comes in place the new rule – shortcodes in plugins, so when user switches the theme the shortcodes are still gonna work.
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dekciw says

~45$, enough said.

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Svipic says

What that mean? If theme cost 45$ so it must be a mess? Are you serious? 45$ X 7000 sales… Not as little as it sounds, right?

I prefer less “OPTIONAL” theme then Tons of layouts that actually is Shortcode based that will peace off every site owner


~45$, enough said.
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wopethemes says

The funny is there are alot of great sale items (>1k , >5k LOL) just use shortcodes for layout , for widgets for everything in a custom page , home page.

As a coder , I’m still feel hard to edit shortcodes to create a full pages. How other buyers without no coding-skills can edit them?

In my all themes , we never let buyer use shortcode to build complex things. The shortcodes are very limited and very simple just like a button or a social icons. All widgets,layout need to be built via page builder which very easy and everyone can do it.

However themeforest only encourage better design , not better functions. Because the better design will give better sale. But when buyer are using a poor functions , all shortcodes theme, they will cry alone =))

I think TF should thinking more about the functions , please take care more user experience than the design.

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Svipic says

Couldn’t Have Said It Better. Looking forward to your themes in my next projects!


The funny is there are alot of great sale items (>1k , >5k LOL) just use shortcodes for layout , for widgets for everything in a custom page , home page.

As a coder , I’m still feel hard to edit shortcodes to create a full pages. How other buyers without no coding-skills can edit them?

In my all themes , we never let buyer use shortcode to build complex things. The shortcodes are very limited and very simple just like a button or a social icons. All widgets,layout need to be built via page builder which very easy and everyone can do it.

However themeforest only encourage better design , not better functions. Because the better design will give better sale. But when buyer are using a poor functions , all shortcodes theme, they will cry alone =))

I think TF should thinking more about the functions , please take care more user experience than the design.
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LiveMesh says

Glad someone brought this up. I hate shortcodes myself as an author (except for some common elements like buttons, tabs etc.) but I have no choice since I have not figured a way to solve these problems -

1) Most buyers prefer to use the WYSIWYG Visual Editor in WordPress that simply messes up the page layout, tossing the divs and spans into all sorts of places. Some line-breaks here and there can avoid it to some extent but really requires some serious testing and hoping that users will be careful when editing.

2) Without shortcodes users do not have a way to structure the content, tag the content, “compartmentalise” it – it is a way to know what’s what and what’s starting/ending (again when using Visual Editor). This leads to confusion and Ex: When I create a pricing table or a team member and it is one of the several in the page, without shortcodes it’s not easy to figure out if a particular content belongs to to a certain pricing table/team member or the next one.

3) Shortcodes can help avoid unwanted line-breaks and empty p tags (often when you have multiple shortcodes working together).

I guess many authors end up using custom post types or shortcodes (with a page builder of some kind) to solve some of the above problems and avoid support issues. Any thoughts on how to address the above would be appreciated. Thanks

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davidossahdez says

I’m wondering what path should a theme developer take these days?
I’m close to release my first theme, but lately I came across with many discussions about what an Themeforest author is supposed to do and what not. ...I though that shortcodes are an integral part of a premium WordPress theme, but it seems that they aren’t.

Do you think that a theme developer should only be concerned about creating a good looking design with a responsive layout, and nothing else? ...It’s better to let the users find the things they need elsewhere or make our own custom versions of those plugins and shortcodes? [For example, if the users need sliders or page builders, they can go to Codecanyon and buy high quality plugins. That way, you avoid all the bloat inside your theme and the user gets exactly what he needs and avoids all the extra junk]

I appreciate any suggestions about these topics. It’s really useful, at least to me, to really understand the clients’ perspective

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kayapati says

Yes, I agree shortcode hell going on here, I dropped using shortcode in my latest theme and thinking never going to use mostly.

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