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Daniel_R says

I’m sure you’ve been reading around the internet and come across many different blogs and noticed that everyone is talking about this mysterious thing called “film look”? I’m sure you have. VH is not the exception, with some files / presets that give you “the instant film look”.

The way people talk about it, it seems like making your video look like film is the holy grail.

Obviously, people are trying to make their digital video look more like film…but how….and why?

People who think film is better will do anything to make their video look like film, even if that means putting ‘dust and scratches’ effects on their video. The result of doing something like that is video that looks like it has scratches on top of it.

The real reason to strive to make video look like film is because audiences are used to the look of film when watching a movie but this look may not always work for the purposes of the film-maker.

If you are a customer reading this, you have to shoot with what you have. So rather than strive to make your video look like film, make it your goal to make the best possible looking image for the medium you are shooting.

What’s your personal experience / thoughts about the famous “film-look”?

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DigitalRicky says

People now refer the term “film look” as either making a shot look like negatives (old camera) or doing color correction to make it look like featured films

Although honestly, I’ve seen people take color correction and grading so far, its not even close of looking like a featured… And I honestly barley see any featured films have such color correction

If that’s what you mean

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miseld says
People now refer the term “film look” as either making a shot look like negatives (old camera) or doing color correction to make it look like featured films

Although honestly, I’ve seen people take color correction and grading so far, its not even close of looking like a featured… And I honestly barley see any featured films have such color correction

If that’s what you mean

As we speak about “FILM LOOK ” take a look my item: link edited

do you think i was making this just to make something and name it Color correction and grading? :) 6-7 Nights without sleep, capturing movies, watching trailers, mesure colors etc… :) And at the end i was happy i make it great and without plugins.

Btw look how the best company on the EARTH make illusion: http://www.ilm.com/

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Mocarg Moderator says

Film look…

24p + HD + DOF + Color Correction + Letterbox

That is what i think :)

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Daniel_R says

@Mocarg and Miseld: I’m not saying your products / presets are not good files and I definitely know you guys did your homework before releasing your presets here but neither of you both guys are working in the film industry. My apologies, I’m not disrespecting you both. You are awesome motion graphic artists.

Miseld brought a point. Sometimes we all (authors) get mad when some pal do a file “rip-off” (copy) and starts selling it, but at the end, everyone is “copying” by observing other items. Picasso’s words “Good artist copy, great artist steal”

Mocarg defined the “film-look” using one sentecen. He is a great motion graphic artist. Ask the same to a film director and we will have a different answer.

No offense in here. Even Ricky has a different understanding of what film look is. I understand. People want the “film-look” because that’s what you see in movies. You are selling the product (and you are not alone, Redgiant, Diggiefects, etc) to the digital video producers.

It’s the same thing at GR. There is so many photoshop presets that change automatically the look of a photo and again, results vary depending on the photos used because it’s impossible to have similar conditions that will affect how the photo was taken. Do you think a “real” photographer will purchase these presets? Maybe (I’m a photographer and do that sometimes) but this files are more oriented to the regular photographer who doesnt realized / know same or even better effects can be achieve with more control by adding adjustment layers that can even be automatized in photoshop.

Like 2 weeks ago, I purchased 2 presets from respectful authors. I wanted to give them a try. The result was fair. I adjusted the settings, add layers, change the blending mode, opacity and the result was better. Both files needed more in-deep instructions on how to adjust settings.

Again, I’m not saying both files are great. They both had a lot of sales with happy customers .

Files only targeting the digital video customers may extinguish more and more the possibility that the pro market will land here. I think Felt’s ideas (and others) about how to improve the site and attract also the pros, are taking my point into consideration.

but, why we all want the pros around here? by pros understand the film makers, the hollywood industry, etc (right?) more authors = more competition = less sales = less profit.

Coming back to the famous film-look there are differences between video and film and there are ways to compensate for them. But remember, the idea isn’t to make people think that your movie was shot on film. Your goal should be to make the best film possible, using the techniques and tools available on field.

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felt_tips Moderator says

@Daniel…

This is a big question. It kind of needs an essay to answer it.

I have shot on and done post production on most film and digital formats, from 35mm to 8mm and from Red to Hi8. At one time or another, I’ve also been asked to mimic most film formats with digitally shot footage. I’ll try to go into some depth over the next few days answering this, if people are interested and if I have the time.

But I’m going to start off by saying that the use of the term “film-look” falls broadly into two categories:

1. Retro / damaged / pastiche. Making your footage look older than it actually is or as though it were shot during a certain era.

2. High production value – trying to achieve the high production value look of feature film on productions with a small production budget. Generally, this only extends to cheap tricks like aspect ratio, lenses / dof etc.

Ultimately, the only real way to achieve a film look is to shoot on film. But if you really know what you’re doing and you get all the parameters right, you can create a film-look that will fool most people.

And yes, most of the color correction files I’ve seen here have absolutely nothing to do with any film stock or processing technique that I’ve ever seen.

-f.

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Mocarg Moderator says

First of all i didn’t mention my item… I wasn’t talking about my presets not a single time.

As for that motion graphics artist let me say that i’ve won prestige Intel’s award for best Video of 2009 and i work for major company that makes 70% of commercials you see on Balkan, i am a member of non-profitable movie makers that go around the world and shoot movies, so i think that i am MAYBE just MAYBE a little bit in the film industry. Not to mention that i’ve worked on couple of BIG films in Serbia that i am not allowed to speak about.

Since you talked about my item let me say something, i made that file for one thing and that is money. Youtube is filled with young filmmakers that want to have that hollywood like movie.

I researched before making this product, i’ve been talking to a lot of random people to tell me what is film look to them and this is what i came up with. A lot of people use regular cam coders such as Sony, Panasonic etc… that shoot a video with no DOF at all and 30 fps which makes footage look pretty smooth just regular. When i played back at them footage that was 24p they instantlly said WOW THAT LOOKS LIKE A MOVIE , every single one said that. Then i played back 24p with DOF and they were amazed. Then i just tinted it a bit with cold blue and the movie that was shot on snow just became more freezing and they were again amazed.

When you show people something that is different from what they are used to see they will digg it, they will find it amusing and with my presets they will give their footage just that small difference from that regular videos and they will be happy.

Mocarg defined the “film-look” using one sentecen. He is a great motion graphic artist. Ask the same to a film director and we will have a different answer.

I did ask and we had a reaaaally long conversation and this is the conclusion.

The only way to get a proper film look is to shoot on film PERIOD .

But if you don’t have the film you have to do something to at least try to replicate this and that is by shooting with 24p, DOF and playing with colors… This way your footage will be different from the regular and it will stand out.

I am not offended (even if you did say a couple of times “No offense”) but you said something about me that wasn’t true, just because i do project files for VH doesn’t mean that that is what i do and that is me. Movie industry is my priority and VH is something that is fun for me to do.

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EFEKT_Studio says

My answer is: buy RED ONE , and you will have film look :D

http://www.red.com/

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miseld says
My answer is: buy RED ONE , and you will have film look :D

http://www.red.com/

I think that zou need more then RED :) for example some PRO Lights

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felt_tips Moderator says

I think you need more than a Red One, lenses and Pro Lights. That’s like saying that all you need to become a great motion graphic designer is a copy of After Effects.

You need a director of photography, grip, focus puller and digital assistant who all know very much what they’re doing. To put the lights in the places you want them, you’re going to need a good gaffer and a couple of electricians too.

It still won’t be a film look because it’s a digital camera, but it will be a high-quality look because you will be using highly talented people and the equipment they need to do a good job.

-f.

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