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digitalscience says

@digitalscience, do you remember when Flash was falling, how CC and FF authors were saying flash is so bad, where do you think those Flash devs went after they learned JS, PHP and WP? And they are good booth coding and visually (AS3 beats JS in every aspect even now)

Indeed, well I’m more of a design than coder, so it didn’t really appeal to me go into web development. :)

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digitalscience says

But what I’m proposing is not too much cause for concern for Elites at all… The way to sell here has changed, and it’s all about exposure, and the top authors know this, and that’s why they using their own adverting.

But say there was a system on the homepage to allow more exposure / income to new files. Then those files can use the income to have their own adverting and then compete with the top sellers.

Even if this caused a 10% reduction in top sellers incomes, I assure you this won’t hurt them at all – considering they’re already earning extremely healthy profits.. but that 10% would be a massive chunk and if that was spread around to new talent and new files, then we’ll see a lot more happier authors around here. I think a lot of new authors are drawn into the “gold rush” illusion seeing the success here, but now it’s more like an untouchable dream. Authors are starting to give up, and leave. While we just watch the same old files selling over the years.

So what would happen if the homepage gave more exposure to new files:
1) We’ll see a lot more newer files on popular pages
2) A lot more happier authors
3) A lot more new and relevant content coming up in searches
4) A lot more creativity and uniqueness in files.
5) A lot more new faces becoming top sellers.
6) Top sellers would spend more time building newer files, and a lot less time spending money on advertising old files.

So come on Envato, this will vastly improve the entire marketplace! What are you guys waiting for exactly? 10 million dollar power elite authors? ;) It shouldn’t be about profits, or elite status.. it should be about new talent and new content!

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PremiumLayers says

So what would happen if the homepage gave more exposure to new files:
1) We’ll see a lot more newer files on popular pages
2) A lot more happier authors
3) A lot more new and relevant content coming up in searches
4) A lot more creativity and uniqueness in files.
5) A lot more new faces becoming top sellers.
6) Top sellers would spend more time building newer files, and a lot less time spending money on advertising old files.

Totally Agree +1

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VF says

LOL @ Revolutions! :D (side effect of November 5? don’t allow you to fall with popular attractions! :P )

Digitalscience, search system needs to get improved first – regardless of the other sections are corrected to render balanced exposure. When the search starts working better/easier for buyers, part of the exposure problems will be solved (slightly on TF and vastly on other marketplaces). Lets see how the results are going with recent upgrades on search – as the upgrade is going on these days!

On topic, how about just having a fixed number of approvals per day so that each item gets minimum guarantee of life time on home page?

Also one more thing, (don’t slap me please for this – as I agree this deserves a slap :D ) can we just remove the “All files” menu? This will encourage buyers to see new items that belongs only to their required category. With such a fast moving list, I think we no longer need “All Files” display on busy marketplaces.

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digitalscience says

LOL @ Revolutions! :D (side effect of November 5? don’t allow you to fall with popular attractions! :P ) Digitalscience, search system needs to get improved first – regardless of the other sections are corrected to render balanced exposure. When the search starts working better/easier for buyers, part of the exposure problems will be solved (slightly on TF and vastly on other marketplaces). Lets see how the results are going with recent upgrades on search – as the upgrade is going on these days!

So how do you propose search results would help with new files – I’ll tell you what most buyers do when doing a search “click sort by sales” same old authors, same old files get sales.

The reality is 100’s of files a month go on and off the homepage without proper exposure and get lost in the abyss that is Envato’s library.. Home page has been and always will be the most important exposure area for files – it sets the files life expectancy, minimal sales and its game over. We all know how it works ;) Search really won’t make a huge difference, unless you remove sort by sales – search just helps find top sellers in a particular category.

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QBKL says

Maybe instead of having a fixed number of files on home, each new file gets a fixed number of days… 2, 3, 4, before it leaves the home page, regardless of the number of files coming in. 3 days (72 hours sharp) are up, you’re out.

I know this would also mean a pretty much bigger number of files on home, but it would settle the equal exposure time for new files. And after all, the excuse of big scrolls and all – if that’s the case – it’s long dead, particularly to people that come for a business and not just to scan.

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dekciw says

On topic, how about just having a fixed number of approvals per day so that each item gets minimum guarantee of life time on home page?

Cant wait for the emails like this: ‘Congrats, your item was accepted for sale! It will go public in 2019 Jan, 17, because there are 1500 accepted files in queue. Thanks, have a good day!’

:)

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digitalscience says

Top sellers don’t have to worry about home page exposure on their new uploads, because 1) They have enough exposure on the rest of the site to drive traffic to it 2) They have enough income to fund advertising to boost traffic to drive sales.

A new author with a new file would need to 1) Upload at the correct time of the week 2) Create a file that is completely unique / innovative and better than the majority 3) Hope the file gets priced competitively 4) Hope it doesn’t get a low initial rating 5) Hope no initial bugs pop up 6) Hope for a small miracle it gets enough sales to get on popular files page. If everything goes to plan, then they might just get good profits.

Sound fair? :)

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Pixelous says

Top sellers don’t have to worry about home page exposure on their new uploads, because 1) They have enough exposure on the rest of the site to drive traffic to it 2) They have enough income to fund advertising to boost traffic to drive sales.

A new author with a new file would need to 1) Upload at the correct time of the week 2) Create a file that is completely unique / innovative and better than the majority 3) Hope the file gets price competitively 4) Hope it doesn’t get a low initial rating 5) Hope no initial bugs pop up 6) Hope for a small miracle it gets enough sales to get on popular files page.

Sound fair? :)

Nope.

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VF says

So how do you propose search results would help with new files – I’ll tell you what most buyers do when doing a search “click sort by sales” same old authors, same old files get sales.

I meant “one by one”. If deep search filters added and accuracy of search really improved, we should see some improvements on sales trends (I mean at least a slight reduction of sales for weekly popular items). Then we ask them to care about home page exposure as well as variations on popular items display.

When it comes to new items, initial exposure needs to be equal – not necessarily needs to be increased (this is not possible too). However, when an item moves away from home page, here is what happens:

- Less than 5% of items moves into weekly top seller page
- More than 95% of items depend only search!

So regardless of an item gains healthy initial exposure, since most of the items NOT belongs to top sellers, obviously search is the only hope for medium – low sellers. The more sophisticated the search system is, the buyers will start focusing there instead of Top sellers. All these efforts are too late anyway :D

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