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Codestag says


So how do you propose search results would help with new files – I’ll tell you what most buyers do when doing a search “click sort by sales” same old authors, same old files get sales.

I meant “one by one”. If deep search filters added and accuracy of search really improved, we should see some improvements on sales trends (I mean at least a slight reduction of sales for weekly popular items). Then we ask them to care about home page exposure as well as variations on popular items display.

When it comes to new items, initial exposure needs to be equal – not necessarily needs to be increased (this is not possible too). However, when an item moves away from home page, here is what happens:

- Less than 5% of items moves into weekly top seller page
- More than 95% of items depend only search!

So regardless of an item gains healthy initial exposure, since most of the items NOT belongs to top sellers, obviously search is the only hope for medium – low sellers. The more sophisticated the search system is, the buyers will start focusing there instead of Top sellers. All these efforts are too late anyway :D

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A more advanced search system is the right way to go.

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digitalscience says

I think the main problem is Envato’s market places work backwards… short initial exposure for new files, long exposure for old files…which results in visible content being mostly outdated.

It actually use to work the other way around, when these sites first started, popular files use to change regularly and making profit happened much sooner, the system was intentionally designed to work that way, the problem is the system has not adapted quicker enough for the volume of files being submitted.

All new files should have high sales initially, which would give all authors profit on their work, then any additional profits is made over time. The older the file becomes, the less exposure and sales it should get. This will level the playing field aswell in terms of search, and overall content will be more recent on popular files pages. This will also keep authors submitting new files, and keep content relevant, creative and innovative.

The only way to see this happen, is as I’ve said improved homepage exposure, but also new things like top authors for the week, not month. And maybe something like top selling files for the day, trending new items, and popular files pages with more exposure areas, or more filters to view popular files.

So then the way to make money here would be to keep uploading files, instead of the current system of having a few files which you just update continuously and pour a whole bunch of money into advertising it and dominate all competition.

When the marketplaces started, the popular page would change frequently, and profits were shared more in proportion to the quality and relevance of the work, but as time progresses items in the exposure areas gradually moved slower – that’s when the divide in profit distribution starts happening, and monopolization kicks in.

In short, the current exposure areas is far too small for the volume of items being approved and the exposure areas don’t update soon enough… Popular files page only updates once a week since the marketplace began, I think it’s time to see daily updates. Envato has failed to expand the system as the content and authors grows, resulting in a few authors becoming millionaires, whilst the majority gradually make less over the years and don’t see enough profit on work they submit. It’s time to do some analysis and adjustment on exposure and profit distribution on new files verses old files. Otherwise this site will only really benefit a few authors and not the majority.

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mpc says

Just want to add that my new theme, just left the home page after 9 hours :O I am really starting to think about loosing the exclusivity…

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QBKL says

How about a home section of “Random goodness”, changing on each refresh/access with a selector like “past month, past 3 months, past 6 months” instead of category selection?

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guuthemes says

Just want to add that my new theme, just left the home page after 9 hours :O I am really starting to think about loosing the exclusivity…

Yes, it’s gotten quite ridiculous.

My personal opinion at present, why should my WP theme that I’ve spent weeks/months on get pushed off the homepage in hours by a flurry of ‘coming soon’ templates?? :(

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VF says

How about a home section of “Random goodness”, changing on each refresh/access with a selector like “past month, past 3 months, past 6 months” instead of category selection?

Random Goodness already happens in the search results. Currently they are fixing it.

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digitalscience says

Yes, it’s gotten quite ridiculous. My personal opinion at present, why should my WP theme that I’ve spent weeks/months on get pushed off the homepage in hours by a flurry of ‘coming soon’ templates?? :(

+1 For current files submitted today 63% of files are under $20, so if you spent a few months on a $40 – $50 you’ll have to compete for exposure with those cheaper / easier to build files within a 9hr exposure window as MPC experienced.

When is Envato going to actually wake up?

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mpc says


Yes, it’s gotten quite ridiculous. My personal opinion at present, why should my WP theme that I’ve spent weeks/months on get pushed off the homepage in hours by a flurry of ‘coming soon’ templates?? :(

+1 For current files submitted today 63% of files are under $20, so if you spent a few months on a $40 – $50 you’ll have to compete for exposure with those cheaper / easier to build files within a 9hr exposure window as MPC experienced.

When is Envato going to actually wake up?

Probably when it is too late and some others will be already gone…

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digitalscience says



Yes, it’s gotten quite ridiculous. My personal opinion at present, why should my WP theme that I’ve spent weeks/months on get pushed off the homepage in hours by a flurry of ‘coming soon’ templates?? :(

+1 For current files submitted today 63% of files are under $20, so if you spent a few months on a $40 – $50 you’ll have to compete for exposure with those cheaper / easier to build files within a 9hr exposure window as MPC experienced.

When is Envato going to actually wake up?
Probably when it is too late and some others will be already gone…

Sad thing though is they probably won’t actually notice, they’ll just keep making profits, keep making new power elite badges and keep expanding the Envato Network with other projects, like Microlancer. Envato needs to pay attention to the community they once looked after and who made Envato what it is today. And buyers need to be able to find newer and more relevant content.

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guuthemes says


Yes, it’s gotten quite ridiculous. My personal opinion at present, why should my WP theme that I’ve spent weeks/months on get pushed off the homepage in hours by a flurry of ‘coming soon’ templates?? :(

+1 For current files submitted today 63% of files are under $20, so if you spent a few months on a $40 – $50 you’ll have to compete for exposure with those cheaper / easier to build files within a 9hr exposure window as MPC experienced.

When is Envato going to actually wake up?

I know Envato have so many things on the go, pipeline etc.., but the re-design of the homepage, search etc.. has to move to Def-Con One. It has to go to the top of ‘to do’ list, it really does.

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