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FinalDestiny
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16 pages and not even one reply. Nobody gives a damn about us, as expected.

P.S. A reply saying “Heeey guys, we’re definitely aware of the things you’re asking and definitely agree with them and will take them into consideration. I’ll have to lock the topic for now until we actually do something” is NOT what we want.

We’re soooooooooo over your corporation-like replies, we need to see changes, not just “We’re working on it. It’ll be ready in 2020.”

It’s absolutely embarassing to have a team of 100 members and not being able to make the website responsive in more than 6 years.

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Kriesi
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Which means 1) Top authors will upload more new files and be more competive instead of updating old files all the time
Seriously? You think thats a good thing?
What I mean by updating.. Is having a theme that becomes popular.. and instead of making new themes, authors just focus on making an elaborate power theme with years of development which just blows out any competition.. That is a monopoly… I’m not saying don’t look after the files with updates ;) These super themes just keep the same content on the site… with better exposure / more competition we’ll see top authors making new files and being creative and bringing new ideas to the table – instead of milking the system.

Ok, you have a weird use of the word monopoly. I doubt that there will ever be only a single viable theme out there.

Your proposal would also not prevent what you try to prevent, I can almost guarantee that.

Each theme I created was more powerful than the last one, up to the point that led us to were we are now. This would not change: The next theme would have newer or better features because thats what you do when you create a new theme. You add a new design (which takes 2 days) and build some new features into it that can be used with all your upcoming themes. So instead of having one “power theme” which sells a lot I would have a multitude of power themes, each one hopefully selling well for a short amount of time and then be forgotten.

What would that accomplish?
  • As a new author you still have to compete with frameworks that have been improved over years. If you enter a saturated market this will always be the case. Nothing themeforest can or should control.
  • As a new author if you release a new item you can be certain that a few items from top authors will also be on the front page, fighting for exposure.
  • People who buy my stuff get updates just for new wordpress versions. adding new features would be a waste of time for me, since those themes don’t sell any longer. In the end I am a business and I cant update the themes just because its the nice thing to do.
  • I have to update, bugfix and support dozens of themes instead of just one, which costs more time and effort than necessary

So overall its a lose/lose/lose for everyone.

PS: there is also one thing I would like to add: it was like that for a long time here at themeforest now. Keeping it that way would be stagnation.

Isn’t it interesting that the former top author (Peerapong) with his “2-3 themes every month” approach was ousted by an author with a single theme that is constantly improved? I think it says a lot about what our customers prefer…

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QBKL
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16 pages and not even one reply. [...] It’s absolutely embarassing to have a team of 100 members and not being able to make the website responsive in more than 6 years.

We have a reply back on page 9 or 10 saying we should tone down the revolutionary behaviour. :)

Same reply states it’s not a team of 100 members, but rather…

“[...]doing the whole thing (Microlancer) with 8 people out of a employee base of 200 was pretty amazing.”
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Dream-Theme
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@digitalscience, In addition to Kriesis words: making theme that STAYS in top sellers is much harder than make a new theme. You need to do quality stuff FAST. You stop – you’re out.

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digitalscience
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What would that accomplish?
  • As a new author you still have to compete with frameworks that have been improved over years. If you enter a saturated market this will always be the case. Nothing themeforest can or should control.
True – we not talking about leveling the playing field completely, we’re talking about more proportional distribution of exposure / profits. Which means tops sellers make a little less, and everyone else a little more.

  • As a new author if you release a new item you can be certain that a few items from top authors will also be on the front page, fighting for exposure.
  • It’s not fighting, it’s called being competitive. Instead of the easy road for top sellers, and the hard road for everyone else.

  • People who buy my stuff get updates just for new wordpress versions. adding new features would be a waste of time for me, since those themes don’t sell any longer. In the end I am a business and I cant update the themes just because its the nice thing to do.
  • Wasn’t referring to your themes, but single themes earning over a million – I think we know which one

  • I have to update, bugfix and support dozens of themes instead of just one, which costs more time and effort than necessary
  • I’m sure the profits should be worth the effort? You have to put in some maintenance to make money and remain competitive – that’s how the world works. With the hyper-inflated profits – it tends to makes one lazy. Creating more new themes will keep your work more creative / innovative / fresh and boost your skill level = win.

    So overall its a lose/lose/lose for everyone.

    I’m sure new authours won’t feel like they’re losing with more profits from more exposure.


    PS: there is also one thing I would like to add: it was like that for a long time here at themeforest now. Keeping it that way would be stagnation. Isn’t it interesting that the former top author (Peerapong) with his “2-3 themes every month” approach was ousted by an author with a single theme that is constantly improved? I think it says a lot about what our customers prefer…
    Indeed he was ousted because of the flawed system allowing monopolization on one single theme to create an untouchable super theme. I think that proves my point on how the current system fails new ideas which Peerapong presented every 2-3 months, keeping the site competitive and showcasing new ideas. That’s how the site use to work, and that’s what made Peerapong a topseller.
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    digitalscience
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    @digitalscience, In addition to Kriesis words: making theme that STAYS in top sellers is much harder than make a new theme. You need to do quality stuff FAST. You stop – you’re out.

    You making it sound like a sudden drop… it won’t be – extremely gradual.. remember there are many channels to find files, also top authors have their advertising campaigns. The impact would be minimal to top authors. But for everyone else, they will have better income.. so what is the problem? This is where topsellers start to sound a little bit selfish, you know the system is flawed and it works in your favor, so why are we even arguing that it’s fine the way it is.

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    bitfade
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    timing of the approval day is certainly a random element. But a theme that does only make it into the popular file list because of 4 days of homepage exposure will not stay there. Been there done that. More than once, unfortunately :/
    Just because a theme won’t stay popular for 1y, it doesn’t mean it should not be allowed to be in that page for a week or two.

    That’s money, not Avada level but still good money and reputation and followers which will help selling your next item.

    TF isn’t just about that first row of popular page, we can’t pick those items as example and say “this is how it works” since 99% of themes will never be that successful.
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    VF
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    Lets keep the topic on the navigation side rather than researching top selling author’s preference of work. We are not here to decide which strategy works well for an author. We supposed to discuss about stable initial exposure.

    - To resolve the issues like “my item stayed only 9 hours on homepage”, the approval process can be altered a bit. Reviewers can approve just like how they do as of now but new items will start display with a constant interval (Ex: for every 24 hours, 30 new items). This is technically possible and adjustable based on recent upload quantities. And importantly doesn’t going to affect either reviewing side or buyer’s side.

    - Definitely there is an issue with weekly popular item section. It is not friendly for new items that are approved after Thursdays. If we have another section like “Top new items”, that will serve as a bridge and avoid sudden death of potential new items. This also technically possible and buyers need this too.

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    QBKL
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    - Definitely there is an issue with weekly popular item section. It is not friendly for new items that are approved after Thursdays.

    It’s why for a long while now, people have advocated a “Last 7 days popular” section, and not a “Last week”. This way, each day the section gets updated and only reflects the last 7 days including the current day, and not the previous week that ended X days ago.

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    Kriesi
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    @digitalscience:

    I am afraid it would get to complicated if I quote every quote from you quoting me now so I will keep it simple instead. ;D

    I have tried for more than 2 years now to once again get a long time top seller and I feel that everyone who succeeds in doing so, either new or old, by meticulous planning or by accident should be able to build upon that.

    Also changing a system that GREATLY benefits the customer to one that makes the customer an afterthought is not the way to go. And no, updating older themes with features built for newer themes does not improve your skills, or spark your creativity. It simply assembly line work and no one likes to do that. Therefore more often than not it wont happen.

    @bitfade: I totally agree. Having 20 or 30 sales extra from a week of popular page exposure is certainly nothing to sneeze at, especially if you just start your TF career. Thats why I am not against reworking the front page :)

    But as I said it happened to me a few times before. all of those 60 sales in the first week themes usually end up with a multitude of those sales because they are not bad at all, just not good enough for the popular list. Thats what I am trying to say: with 3 million customers, if a theme has some potential, it will get its sales over time.

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