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vamtam says



... I’ve shown you couple of absolutely new items that got to Top 10.

Why should these items settle with the position the have? They may be higher in the ranks if the traffic distribution has been more balanced and the changes we are discussing have been introduced.

Please stop pointing to new items that have success and made it to the top weekly charts. Their sales are undermined as well by the current flows of the site. So how do you feel being number one or two :)?

If those files are good enough they will end up even higher next week!

And why should I “stop pointing to new items that have success and made it to the top weekly charts”? because it proves somebody wrong? :)

> So how do you feel being number one or two :)?

Actually it’s 3. It’s cool, but tough. Because you need to evolve fast to stay there. Much faster that you do before initial theme release.

Actually I meant that you might,ve been 2 or 1 have the changes been introduced :). So the proposed changes should affect positively all new items regardless of their position in the top weekly.

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Dream-Theme says

Actually I meant that you might,ve been 2 or 1 have the changes been introduced :). So the proposed changes should affect positively all new items regardless of their position in the top weekly.

Honestly I doubt that it wold change things that much. I have what I believe to be a good understanding of why different themes in TOP 10 are in their places. Number of sales is very important but not the exceptional key factor. I’m referring to Kriesi again – he already described situation earlier in this thread.

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gljivec says

Number of sales is very important but not the exceptional key factor.

I think this is absolutely wrong. For older items numbers of sales are the major factor.

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digitalscience says


Number of sales is very important but not the exceptional key factor.
I think this is absolutely wrong. For older items numbers of sales are the major factor.

Yup very wrong… a good example is the PSD category.. Collis (Envato CEO) created one of the first PSD templates in 2008 (2 pages).... it is currently the highest selling PSD file and quite often it appears on the popular page under PSD category to this day… Is his file even close to the level or even as up to date as newer files? – not by a long shot… it only sells purely based on high sales.

Now apply this to every other older file on the marketplace with high sales, and you’ll see how flawed the system is – because the formula works exactly the same way as Collis’s PSD file. The evidence doesn’t lie. Buyers are actually missing out on good content, because they end up buying stuff from 2008 instead of 2013 purely because its hard to browse content and find relevant stuff..

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VF says

@All,

Looking at few pages of discussion, looks like our time wasted with self centered suggestions and attacks :|

ok!

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Dream-Theme says

@All,

Looking at few pages of discussion, looks like our time wasted with self centered suggestions and attacks :|

ok!

Agree! Sorry for being part of it. I’m off.

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digitalscience says


@All,

Looking at few pages of discussion, looks like our time wasted with self centered suggestions and attacks :|

ok!
Agree! Sorry for being part of it. I’m off.

Runs when hard facts are revealed :) K bye x

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KingDog Envato team says

Hey guys, let’s try and keep this civil. There’s a ton of great discussion going on, we don’t want to derail this if we can :) Thanks!

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FinalDestiny says



Number of sales is very important but not the exceptional key factor.
I think this is absolutely wrong. For older items numbers of sales are the major factor.

Yup very wrong… a good example is the PSD category.. Collis (Envato CEO) created one of the first PSD templates in 2008 (2 pages).... it is currently the highest selling PSD file and quite often it appears on the popular page under PSD category to this day… Is his file even close to the level or even as up to date as newer files? – not by a long shot… it only sells purely based on high sales.

Now apply this to every other older file on the marketplace with high sales, and you’ll see how flawed the system is – because the formula works exactly the same way as Collis’s PSD file. The evidence doesn’t lie. Buyers are actually missing out on good content, because they end up buying stuff from 2008 instead of 2013 purely because its hard to browse content and find relevant stuff..

It sells because it’s a part of a tutorial on nettuts. ;) If a file has lots of paid advertising and links and banners but it’s 5 years old, it should get the same exposure as a non-advertised product added one week ago?

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digitalscience says




Number of sales is very important but not the exceptional key factor.
I think this is absolutely wrong. For older items numbers of sales are the major factor.

Yup very wrong… a good example is the PSD category.. Collis (Envato CEO) created one of the first PSD templates in 2008 (2 pages).... it is currently the highest selling PSD file and quite often it appears on the popular page under PSD category to this day… Is his file even close to the level or even as up to date as newer files? – not by a long shot… it only sells purely based on high sales.

Now apply this to every other older file on the marketplace with high sales, and you’ll see how flawed the system is – because the formula works exactly the same way as Collis’s PSD file. The evidence doesn’t lie. Buyers are actually missing out on good content, because they end up buying stuff from 2008 instead of 2013 purely because its hard to browse content and find relevant stuff..
It sells because it’s a part of a tutorial on nettuts. ;) If a file has lots of paid advertising and links and banners but it’s 5 years old, it should get the same exposure as a non-advertised product added one week ago?

I doubt it… this a scenario of a buyer:

1 ) I need a PSD
2 ) Go to PSD category
3 ) See a list of files with 0 – 4 sales
4 ) Click sort by sales and see files with 1000 sales
5 ) Buy
6 ) Alternatively.. click popular files
7 ) See a lot of the same files which were purchased by sorting by sales.
8 ) Buy
9 ) Another alternative.. type a search
10 ) See a list of files with various sales
11 ) Sort by sales to see best sellers
12 ) Buy

And thus the gap between old files and new files grows ;) The system works GREAT in the beginning of the marketplace but FAILS long term.

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