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bitfade says

Or remove that part of phase 2 :D
I stopped arguing on that matter as soon as i realized it was pointless because envato wouldn’t change their mind about phase 2: sooner or later it will become operative.

To be safe, after a lot of thinking, we decided to strip all “extras” from the theme (custom meta included) and implement them in a single bundled plugin.

This way, buyers switching from our theme and keeping the plugin active would still have access to all their data (meta / builder) and the few shortcodes we still include would be rendered.

How the whole thing would look with 3rd party themes which obviously lack proper styling/js for that markup is none of our business.

The only rule i’m still fighting against is the mandatory usage of TGM class since there are simpler ways to accomplish the same using just wp core hooks and a lot less custom code.
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partnuz says

This way, buyers switching from our theme and keeping the plugin active would still have access to all their data (meta / builder) and the few shortcodes we still include would be rendered.

How the whole thing would look with 3rd party themes which obviously lack proper styling/js for that markup is none of our business.

I think that providing for example tabs/accordions without js/css will cause them to be useless.

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duotive says

It seems that i am getting mixed ideas from their requirements and what you are saying here. So the question is: can i buy Visual Composer and use it with a theme including it in the theme or not? If not, what could i do? I would hate to have to recreate the wheel if it already was created ( the visual composer )

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bitfade says

I think that providing for example tabs/accordions without js/css will cause them to be useless.
The way accordion/tabs look/behave is presentation which belongs to themes and If a 3rd party theme lacks proper styling for them, there’s nothing we can do about it.

@duotive, i’m referring to custom builders implement directly in the framework. If it’s a plugin already (like visual composer) i don’t see any issue with it.
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partnuz says


I think that providing for example tabs/accordions without js/css will cause them to be useless.
The way accordion/tabs look/behave is presentation which belongs to themes and If a 3rd party theme lacks proper styling for them, there’s nothing we can do about it.

@duotive, i’m referring to custom builders implement directly in the framework. If it’s a plugin already (like visual composer) i don’t see any issue with it.

I thought plugins would be required to provide basic css/js and themes advanced css to match theme look. Otherwise it’s pointless to use plugin.

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Or remove that part of phase 2 :D
I stopped arguing on that matter as soon as i realized it was pointless because envato wouldn’t change their mind about phase 2: sooner or later it will become operative.

To be safe, after a lot of thinking, we decided to strip all “extras” from the theme (custom meta included) and implement them in a single bundled plugin.

This way, buyers switching from our theme and keeping the plugin active would still have access to all their data (meta / builder) and the few shortcodes we still include would be rendered.

How the whole thing would look with 3rd party themes which obviously lack proper styling/js for that markup is none of our business.

The only rule i’m still fighting against is the mandatory usage of TGM class since there are simpler ways to accomplish the same using just wp core hooks and a lot less custom code.

TGM was actually easy to integrate. The only thing I don’t like about it is that the code itself hasn’t been updated to accomodate new fixes. And including it in your code outright would cause your theme to be rejected because of some TGM error. Same goes for Envato Toolkit.

I would very much want to know what Envato thinks these “extra” stuff that should be converted into plugins are (aside from shortcodes and CPTs).

I was saying before in this thread that I built a theme framework, and you build on top of it instead of the framework being a plugin. The framework has a ton of features, some of them are: multi-language, translation, some widgets, page builder, portfolio CPT, seo meta options, shortcodes, and plenty more.

As of the moment, I’d have to cut open my framework and move portfolio CPT and all shortcodes into separated plugins away from the framework. Now how about all the other features? Phase 2 is for November and it’s already September. Removing stable items from my framework sucks big time :(

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bitfade says

I thought plugins would be required to provide basic css/js and themes advanced css to match theme look. Otherwise it’s pointless to use plugin.
There’s not such requirement and the moment that it will, themeforest would have to kiss goodbye most of the big theme authors. Our tabs/accordions are twitter bootstrap widgets which require tbs css/js to be rendered and behave the way they do in our themes. We can’t inject a whole framework into a different theme without causing massive side effects nor we have any intention to recode them as self contained widgets.

The same goes for sliders, filterable grids, lightboxes and so on, all custom commercial code we created for our themes only and again based on bootstrap. If you want all that working that way and without additional efforts, then use our theme. If not, we provide a plugin which keeps all the content available in the backend and you’re free to customize your new theme so that markup will render the way it suits you best.
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duotive says

So nice of you to help. Thanks

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easydevelopment says


I thought plugins would be required to provide basic css/js and themes advanced css to match theme look. Otherwise it’s pointless to use plugin.
There’s not such requirement and the moment that it will, themeforest would have to kiss goodbye most of the big theme authors. Our tabs/accordions are twitter bootstrap widgets which require tbs css/js to be rendered and behave the way they do in our themes. We can’t inject a whole framework into a different theme without causing massive side effects nor we have any intention to recode them as self contained widgets.

The same goes for sliders, filterable grids, lightboxes and so on, all custom commercial code we created for our themes only and again based on bootstrap. If you want all that working that way and without additional efforts, then use our theme. If not, we provide a plugin which keeps all the content available in the backend and you’re free to customize your new theme so that markup will render the way it suits you best.

I’ve made a plugin which actually does something like that. http://codecanyon.net/item/wordpress-theme-controller/5529680?WT.ac=new_item&WT.seg_1=new_item&WT.z_author=easydevelopment

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lup says

I’ve made a plugin which actually does something like that. http://codecanyon.net/item/wordpress-theme-controller/5529680?WT.ac=new_item&WT.seg_1=new_item&WT.z_author=easydevelopment

Now that’s usefull, especially for back-end users, the control for all visual features in one specific area.

I wonder if you already have or you think about implementing some features for like require/recommend plugin ( to replace TGM class).

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