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sanisoft says

Not sure about you guys, but my customers get 1/2 extended license at a few months, not a big deal for me,

What do you mean by 1/2 extended license?

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Pixelworkshop says

Hi,

i have nearly 20 WordPress items on Codecanyon and i am asked very often by Themeforest authors to allow them to include into their themes my plugins.

As you might know, i have to agree for them to be authorized to use my plugins.

Bu the thing that i don’t understand is why extended licences on Codecanyon are so low ? I mean, take the example of a TF author that wants to include my plugin into a premium theme. Basically, he’ll pay the extended licence around $90 and will sell his theme $45. It means that with 2 sales he’s doing his “plugin return on investment”. And then… he starts making money while i’m losing buyers.

Is this something that will change or not ? I know many CC authors that do not want their items to be included simply because when it’s done, the major part of the profits are going the TF author and not to CC authors.

Am i the only one this find this a bit unfair?

+1 I receive quite a lot of requests to reuse my work on TF and I refuse all of them. Our work on CC is undervalued IMO.

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Pricop says


Not sure about you guys, but my customers get 1/2 extended license at a few months, not a big deal for me,
What do you mean by 1/2 extended license?

I mean, 1 or 2 copies… :)

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groupp says

I guess id like to add to this conversation, and ask a questions. Why are templates always more than scripts? I could make a template in a day, while a script takes much longer? Am i the only one who has always thought this makes no sense? Not to mention a template that someone buys can only make them so much, but a script that’s deployed good for whatever reason will make much more..so shouldn’t it BE more?

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greenline says

I guess id like to add to this conversation, and ask a questions. Why are templates always more than scripts? I could make a template in a day, while a script takes much longer? Am i the only one who has always thought this makes no sense? Not to mention a template that someone buys can only make them so much, but a script that’s deployed good for whatever reason will make much more..so shouldn’t it BE more?

I’m sorry but (even if I’ll a bit out off topic saying that) but I am 100% sure that a theme cannot be developed in 1 day :)

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greenline says

And coming back to the original message: theme authors don’t get the investment back after 2-3 sales. One of the best-sellers on TF has inside it 4 sliders plugins, one video gallery plugin, one map plugin and much more else. Together they cost a lot. So it takes some time until they get the investment back. But I agree people will buy the theme and will no longer buy the plugin then.

Well, the real question is: why a theme should incorporate so many plugins? The styling should be decoupled from functionality, that’s why themes and plugins are separate things.

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corsonr says

And coming back to the original message: theme authors don’t get the investment back after 2-3 sales. One of the best-sellers on TF has inside it 4 sliders plugins, one video gallery plugin, one map plugin and much more else. Together they cost a lot. So it takes some time until they get the investment back. But I agree people will buy the theme and will no longer buy the plugin then. Well, the real question is: why a theme should incorporate so many plugins? The styling should be decoupled from functionality, that’s why themes and plugins are separate things.

That’s exactly what i’m saying. TF authors take advantage of the work of CC authors and earn much more money. That’s not fair.

I also in previous messages that plugins are more complex and take more time to be developed, well that depends, but it’s nor a matter of time. Each author has his own libraries, snippets and methods to quickly create something. The goal of this topic is to point the fact that when TF include our items in their themes we really lose buyers while they get more, and that really sucks.

Maybe someone from Envato could join the conversation and share his/her thoughts?

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rabidflash says

+1 to this thread. CC item prices are very low compared to other market places.

In a way when it comes to TF, both CC and GR items are same as a TF author can buy extended license on either of the market place and then include them in their own theme. But a GR extended license is 15 times the regular one wher as the CC one is just 5 times, which makes no sense. They should atleast maintain uniformity across marketplaces.

One more thing to note is the price comparison between GR and CC items. For eg. a video player mock-up on GR costs ~$5 where as a fully functional CC video player with multiple themes and assets costs ~$8-10. So, if a CC author wants assets for his video player from GR, it costs $75. Meanwhile a TF author can simply buy the full player for just $50 along with the assets.

It doesn’t seem to be fair at all.

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nCrafts says

I like this thread. I did feel reluctant giving away the right to use my plugin in a theme for the price of one extended license. Seemed unfair. :(

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Typps says

I don’t believe it is fair indeed. However, regarding TF marketplace, the recent licensing changes where explicit permission is required by the author regardless of whether or not a purchase for an extended license has been made solves these problems quite nicely I think.

You can now negotiate with TF authors on a commission or partnership basis in case they want to include your item in their themes.

As for extended licenses per se, I’ve not made too many sales of these as pricorp has also confirmed to be his situation as well. I think in general, there aren’t too many sales for extended licenses at all. It’s a niche use case. But because these people will be profiting from further sales of your product bundled in theirs, it’s only fair the one time cost be much higher to compensate for the low volume of extended license purchases.

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