481 posts
  • Sells items exclusively on Envato Market
  • Has sold $1,000+ on Envato Market
  • Attended one of our Meetups around the world
  • Located in United Kingdom
+3 more
FlatKing says

A WP developer saves 70% time when a PSD is already converted to html, if you didn’t know that then i suggest you revise the optimization of your worflow process :)

Agreed but if you’re customising a WP Theme it’d be double the time if not more to edit a HTML template first, Therefore your argument that a customer would want both WP and HTML to customise faster is ridiculous.

Maybe it’d be a good idea for a mod to close this up, everyones agreed and stated that it’d be a bad idea and it’s only turning sour now

2381 posts Bird is the word..
  • Located in United States
  • Elite Author: Sold more than $75,000 on Envato Market
  • Has sold $500,000+ on Envato Market
  • Has been part of the Envato Community for over 7 years
+8 more
jonathan01 says



well you need HTML pages to customize WP

Sayeth whaaat?! :D

If you’re a developer i suggest you rethink your theme creating, if you’re just the designer, fire your developer :D
A WP developer saves 70% time when a PSD is already converted to html, if you didn’t know that then i suggest you revise the optimization of your worflow process :)

That’s not what you said or what we’re talking about, you said that buyers want html so they can edit the theme. The html is nothing to do with altering the theme at all.

As for your statement re saving 70% time creating WP theme from already created HTML is silly – you still spent that 70% time creating the html, plus you probably wasted some time as you’ll just have to rip-out html to replace with WP loops and hooks meaning you actually spent more time. Unless you were aiming to release 2 products, WP and HTML.

598 posts uouapps
  • Has been part of the Envato Community for over 1 year
  • Has referred 10+ members
  • Has sold $125,000+ on Envato Market
  • Has collected 100+ items on Envato Market
+3 more
uouapps says



@uouapps – I always bundle the PSD version of my files into the package and that’s free so case closed. While bundling HTML + WP it’s useless as they are two different things and i wouldn’t see many buyers wanting both versions for more money. It would only make you loose traffic. So case closed again.

well you need HTML pages to customize WP, many of our buyers purchase both WP & HTML versions in order to accelerate their customization reqs. idem for HTML, you need PSDs to customize the HTML

anyway on activeden people used to love bundles so I guess that it should be up to the author to choose as long as there are rules on what and how to bundle.

Bundles are a bad idea – packing in more and discounting is the lowest form of marketing and is an unsustainable model.

You do not need html to edit a WordPress theme. PSD’s are already included in many files. Prices are already ridiculously low and need to go in one direction only – upwards.

Hi, i’m not talking about editing i’m talking about, i’m talking about converting psd to wp if you have tailor made customizations that require to chnge the configuration /layout and sometimes hardcore structure then it makes more sense to have the html pages ready than converting from psd to wp. That’s just a fact

As for the bundles i just shared my pov, i remember as a buyer activeden bundles were great

I’m off Cheers

598 posts uouapps
  • Has been part of the Envato Community for over 1 year
  • Has referred 10+ members
  • Has sold $125,000+ on Envato Market
  • Has collected 100+ items on Envato Market
+3 more
uouapps says




well you need HTML pages to customize WP

Sayeth whaaat?! :D

If you’re a developer i suggest you rethink your theme creating, if you’re just the designer, fire your developer :D
A WP developer saves 70% time when a PSD is already converted to html, if you didn’t know that then i suggest you revise the optimization of your worflow process :)

That’s not what you said or what we’re talking about, you said that buyers want html so they can edit the theme. The html is nothing to do with altering the theme at all.

As for your statement re saving 70% time creating WP theme from already created HTML is silly – you still spent that 70% time creating the html, plus you probably wasted some time as you’ll just have to rip-out html to replace with WP loops and hooks meaning you actually spent more time. Unless you were aiming to release 2 products, WP and HTML.

Sorry i didn’t mean to talk about editing , i already reexplained it bove As for the html pages yes we always sell them as a seperate product from wp so it makes commercially sense

527 posts Code is Poetry
  • Elite Author: Sold more than $75,000 on Envato Market
  • Has sold $125,000+ on Envato Market
  • Has referred 100+ members
  • Has collected 10+ items on Envato Market
+4 more
egemenerd says

Maybe it’d be a good idea for a mod to close this up, everyones agreed and stated that it’d be a bad idea and it’s only turning sour now

Not everyone, most of the authors agreed that it’d be a bad idea ok, but we still haven’t seen any customer opinion here…

Also this thread is only 8 hours old and I don’t think that every author read it, maybe there are authors who have different ideas about bundles…

481 posts
  • Sells items exclusively on Envato Market
  • Has sold $1,000+ on Envato Market
  • Attended one of our Meetups around the world
  • Located in United Kingdom
+3 more
FlatKing says


Maybe it’d be a good idea for a mod to close this up, everyones agreed and stated that it’d be a bad idea and it’s only turning sour now

Not everyone, most of the authors agreed that it’d be a bad idea ok, but we still haven’t seen any customer opinion here…

Also this thread is only 8 hours old and I don’t think that every author read it, maybe there are authors who have different ideas about bundles…

Simple as if you want to bundle up all of your hard work for a tiny price become non exclusive and do it off your own back.

But it’s simple as – It’s an awful business model, you’re already selling something worth about $5,000 for $40 but yet you want to bundle up a bunch eg $50,000 worth for about $200.

Of course buyers want it.

527 posts Code is Poetry
  • Elite Author: Sold more than $75,000 on Envato Market
  • Has sold $125,000+ on Envato Market
  • Has referred 100+ members
  • Has collected 10+ items on Envato Market
+4 more
egemenerd says

Simple as if you want to bundle up all of your hard work for a tiny price become non exclusive and do it off your own back.

Ok thank you I haven’t thought it before :P

I’m not talking about “bundle up all of my work for a tiny price”...Envato is already making mega bundles with tiny prices. For example there is a blogger bundle now. If I have a blog theme, it would be a bad news for me…

So if Envato can do these kinds of things, why can’t we make little bundles? Prices are very low I agree, but this is another topic…

4050 posts
  • Has been part of the Envato Community for over 4 years
  • Has collected 500+ items on Envato Market
  • Nominated Community Superstar of the month
  • Sells items exclusively on Envato Market
+1 more
charlie4282 says

Even as an experienced buyer I think this is a bad idea.

Any day I would rather have ONE first class file form some of the leading authors on this thread than a pile of others. What would I do with them? I buy themes etc on a need basis (with a few impulsive decisions). Most of a bundle will sit never used.

Worst of all it would have a negative effect on the files, authors and quality coming out here. Great authors who don’t want to do it will stop or slow down, quality will drop in the interests of rapid turn around and it while it will seem like a good offer to the inexperienced, it will only lead to confusing them with too many options.

2381 posts Bird is the word..
  • Located in United States
  • Elite Author: Sold more than $75,000 on Envato Market
  • Has sold $500,000+ on Envato Market
  • Has been part of the Envato Community for over 7 years
+8 more
jonathan01 says

Even as an experienced buyer I think this is a bad idea.

Any day I would rather have ONE first class file form some of the leading authors on this thread than a pile of others. What would I do with them? I buy themes etc on a need basis (with a few impulsive decisions). Most of a bundle will sit never used.

Worst of all it would have a negative effect on the files, authors and quality coming out here. Great authors who don’t want to do it will stop or slow down, quality will drop in the interests of rapid turn around and it while it will seem like a good offer to the inexperienced, it will only lead to confusing them with too many options.

+1

527 posts Code is Poetry
  • Elite Author: Sold more than $75,000 on Envato Market
  • Has sold $125,000+ on Envato Market
  • Has referred 100+ members
  • Has collected 10+ items on Envato Market
+4 more
egemenerd says

Even as an experienced buyer I think this is a bad idea.

Any day I would rather have ONE first class file form some of the leading authors on this thread than a pile of others. What would I do with them? I buy themes etc on a need basis (with a few impulsive decisions). Most of a bundle will sit never used.

Worst of all it would have a negative effect on the files, authors and quality coming out here. Great authors who don’t want to do it will stop or slow down, quality will drop in the interests of rapid turn around and it while it will seem like a good offer to the inexperienced, it will only lead to confusing them with too many options.

Thanks for your opinion as an experienced buyer Charlie, this makes sense :)

Ok I give up :) Goodnight to everyone.

Last more thing, Envato! please stop to make these ridiculous bundles! :)

Helpful Information

  • Please read our community guidelines. Self promotion and discussion of piracy is not allowed.
  • Open a support ticket if you would like specific help with your account, deposits or purchases.
  • Item Support by authors is optional and may vary. Please see the Support tab on each item page.

Most of all, enjoy your time here. Thank you for being a valued Envato community member.

Post Reply

Format your entry with some basic HTML. Read the Full Details, or here is a refresher:

<strong></strong> to make things bold
<em></em> to emphasize
<ul><li> or <ol><li> to make lists
<h3> or <h4> to make headings
<pre></pre> for code blocks
<code></code> for a few words of code
<a></a> for links
<img> to paste in an image (it'll need to be hosted somewhere else though)
<blockquote></blockquote> to quote somebody

:grin: :shocked: :cry: Complete List of Smiley Codes

by
by
by
by
by
by