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cars111 says

Hi guys I really want to get started developing themes to sell on themeforest, which way would be better to start.

1. Headway for layout then use visual builder or another plugins on code canyon?

2.Or buy a woo theme and modify it?

3. How do you get access to the woo framework?

4. Can you let’s say buy a woo theme and make it look totally different then repackage and sell it here?

I am more of a designer I have hand coded and built HTML and CSS websites but would like to get into wordpress.

Any help would be really appreciated

Thanks

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Smartik says

You’re not allowed to buy a theme, modify it and then re-sell. Doesn’t matter who’s the developer and what framework is used.

Here on TF you must create themes from scratch using or not frameworks that you’re allowed(by license or author) to use within themes.

Cheers.

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cars111 says

Hi thanks for the reply, if i wanted to use the woo framework which I have read is free to use to build my theme then sell on themeforest how do I acquire it?

Would headway be a better option with visual builder?

Thanks

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Smartik says

Hi thanks for the reply, if i wanted to use the woo framework which I have read is free to use to build my theme then sell on themeforest how do I acquire it?

Would headway be a better option with visual builder?

Thanks

I don’t know too much about other frameworks(I use my own), but you should always check the license and make sure it allows you to use it.

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WPWiseOwl says

No, you can’t just take someone’s works change it a lot and call it yours. Using either frameworks would earn you a rejection here. For example, just so you’re aware even with the so called “Developer” license of Headway you aren’t given the “right” to redistribute the framework itself for resale purposes unless you do it on their own marketplace.

Another thing, any framework that actually grants resale distribution as a right but also expects you to distribute your work as a “Child Themes” is in IMO a bad idea since the end user now has little recourse but to modify the child theme, potentially loses their changes with each update. The proper thing to do would be to either build the theme from scratch using a custom made framework or any framework / foundation that lets you create a proper parent theme so that the end user can use a child theme for custom styling / modification purposes.

If you’re looking for shortcuts to the path of wealth here on ThemeForest, there’s not many legal / ethical ones (if any). You say you’re a designer. So, make a totally custom PSD design and submit it to TF. After it’s been approved, then code the PSD into HTML. Once that’s approved, code into a WP theme and get that approved. You’ll learn a lot along the way and you’ll know that you got started the right way. You don’t have to submit a PSD / HTML theme first but to submitting a WP theme as your first item could turn out to be quite the daunting / discouraging task without having more experience.

Even if approved, after you’ve sold your item then you should know how to support it. Do you want to know your item well enough to help your buyers with them problem. They usually can’t / won’t wait weeks for you to figure it out (possibly because you don’t understand all the code in your theme). Short-terms authoring isn’t very profitable around. You need a long-term plan.

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cars111 says

Hi thanks for the reply

I have been looking at gantry and the warp framework, it seems as though customisation would be easier, Plus I was thinking about using visual builder or similar with them to speed up the layout process.

Your right regarding child themes total waste of time if your looking to sell them on themeforest.

Do you think one of those frameworks will be a good start coupled with visual composer or similar?

Thanks again

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WPWiseOwl says

Obviously, I have had more experience with WP than any other CMS platform. You’re probably also already aware that WordPress themes are the highest in demand on ThemeForest since these days it’s a much larger target market than say Joomla or Drupal.

Don’t pick a framework for just for it’s features. The more features, the more bloat. The more bloat, the more complicated it is and the more conflicting causing potential it has. While not always the case, such bloat can cause (sometimes serious) performance issues. Picking a framework for it’s features is somewhat like selecting a house for it’s appliances.

Instead first ask yourself, what kind of grid system you want. How many columns / how wide. For example, I never use anything less than 12 columns / 1170px or anything larger than 16 columns 2560×1600. Seek these details out and you’ll find that there’s many grids that are limited to just the small 960 grid which is getting older by the day. You don’t want to a something that has an old grid system because it’s got little if any future flexibility.

Hints: The Warp 7 WP framework accesses the webhost file system using direct PHP calls instead of using the recommended WP ones. This seems pretty lazy to me but not everyone feels the same. It also causes security issues on various hosts that your buyer might be using thereby making it your problem when it fails to work. The Gantry framework typically makes use of the MooTools (jQuery alternative) that I’ve seen cause multiple conflicts with 3rd party plugins. This is a carry over from their Joomla development and doesn’t always work well with WP’s built-in core jQuery.

I am still ignorant of so much but just know your theme’s foundation (if you didn’t build it yourself). There are too many frameworks available (even just for WP to go through each one here). So, try your best not to be ignorant of any unknown (known are fine if you can live with them) dragons / gremlins possibly lurking in your chosen framework with and you’ll be very thankfully you took the time to have a look around. ;-)

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cars111 says

Thank you for taking the time out and writing a very nice reply it is very much appreciated.

I have been looking for ages and every time I think right Im going to start, something else comes up and stops me (even though it is a good thing) from getting on.

Im even more stuck now as I was before lol

All I need is a framework to let me get on with layout and design, developing is not my strong point and the frameworks listed would have helped me get up and running quicker.

It know looks like I need to look again. I’m going to have to start my search again :) Do you have a couple of recommendations to help me out I have seen Runway, Vafpress and Redux framework.

Thanks

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contempoinc says

If you’re looking to get started into WordPress, take a look at the Underscores theme its a great jumping off point for hacking apart and learning how everything works.

http://underscores.me/
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WPWiseOwl says

Im even more stuck now as I was before lol

Sorry, about that. Hopefully the following helps…

+1 to the underscores site that contempoinc suggested.

Redux is an theme options framework alone that gets included into a theme rather than a theme framework itself. Also check these out (for examples of how to implement / use bootstrap 3, redux, woocommerce, etc in a theme)...

http://roots.io/

http://shoestrap.org/

http://jointswp.com/

http://themefortress.com/reverie-5/

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