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doru says

now, the questions are:

The premium themes on sale on wordpress.com are 100% GPL? Can I purchase those premium themes and then freely distribute them as I like? Can I create a website that gives all of those themes for free?

I’m not even ask if I can resale them. What if I create a business model where I make money from a membership fee or ads?

As Collis correctly stated, themes are not new copies of wordpress but plugins who enhance the default functionality of the original application. This is the logical conclusion. Bu the licenses are not usually logical.

try reading this mess:

http://opensource.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.html

the version on wordpress org is a little more clear but it looks different of the original license

http://wordpress.org/about/gpl/

Is wordpress released under a modified gpl 3 license? I have no idea.

Ultimately, if the outcome will be that every theme is free to use and distribute, not only websites as themeforest will disappear but even wordpress com will fade away. I don’t think someone have time and resources to develop a theme that will sell one time and then will be free for everybody.

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Japh Envato team says

The premium themes on sale on wordpress.com are 100% GPL? Can I purchase those premium themes and then freely distribute them as I like? Can I create a website that gives all of those themes for free?

They are 100% GPL, however, you don’t download themes from WordPress.com. It is a hosted service, so you couldn’t re-distribute that way if you wanted to.


try reading this mess: http://opensource.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.html

the version on wordpress org is a little more clear but it looks different of the original license

http://wordpress.org/about/gpl/ Is wordpress released under a modified gpl 3 license? I have no idea.

WordPress is released under the GPL v2.0 license.

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doru says

They are 100% GPL, however, you don’t download themes from WordPress.com. It is a hosted service, so you couldn’t re-distribute that way if you wanted to.

this bring a new set of problems.

so the logic is. wordpress is released under gpl license. all stuff based on this license must be released under the same license.

yet, those themes are not released for free for everybody. those themes are breaking the wordpress license that themeforest supposedly should follow.

isn’t this the whole point of this debate?

they ask themeforest to respect a license that they actively break.

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Caldazar says
If I wanted to give away the rights to my work, I’d just give it away.
Given that, it’s quite surprising that I’m struggling with the decision right now whether selling on CodeCanyon is really worth giving away as much central rights on my work as they ask me to.

To be clear: I don’t think proprietary software is unethical per se, but watching the level of disrespect for licencing models and organisations, on which 80% of the stuff sold here depends in one or the other way, is quite dissappointing, to say the least.

I mean really?! At the end of the day Wordpress’s goal is to sabotage your rights by means of the GPL? I’m really curious how the spin will look when you people finally decide to include WordPress into your whining about how others parasite your work. Jeez, check yourself!

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doru says

I mean really?! At the end of the day Wordpress’s goal is to sabotage your rights by means of the GPL?

you got this wrong, sorry. is not about sabotaging anyone rights. is imposing some license terms that doesn’t exist.

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Caldazar says

I understand you well. I just prefer the german way of getting a point through ;)

Please take it as a piece of advice, not as an offence, not even as directed at you personally but regarding the overall impression I get in this forum: Never ever let greed get into your way of thinking things through and seeing the bigger picture.

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CodingJack says

They are 100% GPL, however, you don’t download themes from WordPress.com. It is a hosted service, so you couldn’t re-distribute that way if you wanted to.

Wow that sure is convenient. Irony at it’s best.

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doru says

I understand you well. I just prefer the german way of getting a point through ;) Please take it as a piece of advice, not as an offence, not even as directed at you personally but regarding the overall impression I get in this forum: Never ever let greed get into your way of thinking things through and seeing the bigger picture.

what greed? and what bigger picture?

you are just making offensive statements.

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Typps says

Good question doru, I’m curious too :P

Back to topic, it appears that a few years ago Matt contacted the Software Freedom Law Center to clarify the status of themes as derivative works of WordPress and received the fitting answer : Third-party developers of such themes may apply restrictive copyrights to these elements if they wish.

Obviously he’s not gotten over it and for him to come back now and say that the split licensing goes against the spirit of GPL is a very poor argument. This is a license and needs to be treated for what it is. There is no room for spirituality here. Spirituality has its origin in religion and has no place in licensing. Has an infringement occurred ? No ? So spare us the spirit BS thankyouverymuch!

Envato fills an existing niche in market demand. This is a business like any other. If they didn’t, someone else will. Why ? Because it’s perfectly within their rights. We live in a pluralistic society and it’s ok to be different. If the GPL floats your boat, stick to that, here the split licensing works, accept it.

Matt has handled himself quite badly IMHO. Sad for jake!

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Caldazar says

Ok, less offending, I’ll try:

Greed: To me it is obvious that the anxiety of many here in this forum is not about their freedoms but only about a particular one: making revenue. (At least its the dominant theme here by far)

That’s totally fine but may lead to some sort of one-dimentional thinking about the issue at hand and not seeing the bigger picture. That means there are many more facets how you could win or lose in this particular situation.

For example: You are utterly, nearly completely dependent on the existence of the GPL and the fact that WordPress takes it so seriously. My first thought in your situation wouldn’t be how they might make my little money-machine jar a little bit (which only exists because of them in the first place). Nor would I think how I’m not allowed to represent their ideal which I just dismissed by letting Envato take away my freedom to chose whatever licence I want – (in exchange for money, in itself still ok).

I would think how I could build trust within the community that provides the very foundation of my whole business.

Waving some legalese document at them with a smirk on my face and then smack-talking them in my forums was the last thing I’d dream of doing.

I’d thank god if my short-term-buck-saving-stunt would settle at the point of them excluding me from representing their ideology.

I didn’t see that being discussed here.

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