Why anyone at this stage would be hoping to change Envato’s mind or wait to see if things work out to benefit authors I think is a waste of time. Honestly, how long have you waited for a clear response on things? Months! How clear are they. They are not! Did they already implement the things you are contesting? Yes they have! Will they change their minds? Nope it’s their business plan already put in to action so far.
Well, let’s hope the amount of impact of what is happening from the author site is increasing Envato’s awareness even more. Authors are leaving. Authors are looking for alternatives. Furthermore, despite the fact that I agree with you, that shouldn’t shut us up. It’s so unbelievably frustrating, and the only thing we can really do is expressing our dissatisfaction. So, still hoping…
Maybe all will be fine?
Oh please let’s hope so, but Envato really needs to act quickly then. Please Envato, how clear should it be that authors prefer the reseller model? It’s just so strange that there has not been a single author being enthusiastic about this, and yet you want to continue with this. The reason that authors aren’t leaving quicker (though it’s already happening) is that there are few alternatives. This doesn’t feel like empowering, this feels just powerless. Please listen to the PEOPLE who helped you build Envato to what it is today, and reconsider this whole nightmare.
The final set of differences is more specific to Envato itself. What would our authors want? What would our buyers want? How does the app work and how are transactions modelled already? What’s the cost of change? In other words – what is the overall best balance for both authors and buyers?
It is painfully obvious and easy to grasp that authors passionately want a reseller/commission marketplace, and buyers simply want good products from authors. The reason we can’t have that is because Envato wants to have their cake and eat it to. Cherry-pick the benefits of different business models to make it easy for Envato, and to be able to control authors, I.e exclusive authors on a platform business model? Are you kidding me?
There are literally zero cons for having a reseller/commission business model for authors and buyers. If your marketplace doesn’t provide the environment authors want to sell on, we will move, and when we do, buyers will follow us, because they are loyal to our products, not Envato.
One of your biggest and fastest-growing competitors recently confirmed to me that their business model is a “reseller/commission” and the commission is always 70%, even if you just started selling or have sold $1 million worth of products, and there is no “exclusivity” monopoly-like rules over there.
Despite repeating myself – Authors made Envato what it is today, and authors can and will make another marketplace grow even bigger.I implore you to reconsider it all, I loved it here and what I thought Envato stood for. It is painful to realise I was wrong, and that you are forcing authors like me out.
+1, a perfect summary of what is going on and my feelings as well. Such a pitty.
prestahome saidI don’t think that’s new, any ongoing action that leads to getting income requires registering company according to law. “definiuje dzialalnosc gospodarcza jako (...) wykonywana w sposób zorganizowany i ciagly”. So that’s not the issue here.
Basically every author from Poland (and from many other EU countries) needs to have own company because people cannot sell regularly without company.
Yes of course but Envato cannot issue invoice with our company details, right? I don’t get point of authors invoices.What with situation where you sold $100 item? You get the invoice for this where your income is $100? Not $70? (70%)
Every time you make a sale your statement shows the income that account has made (and issues an invoice for it). There will be a corresponding expense from Envato to you (our author fee).
Your income is all the sales, along with any other income on your account (such as referral income), and your expenses are all the author fees, swift fees, as well as any purchases you are making or other negative amounts on the account.
Your balance is your income minus your expenses, which is the pool you withdraw funds from.I hope that helps!
Well, in that pretty new sticking’ just ‘Platform’ case Envato should ‘un-stick’ the old contributing / paying system for authors:
1/ Cancel the exclusivity obligations for authors, if now we are not any special contributors for Envato, but the free direct sellers…
2/ Remove the commission payment levels / paws, if now there should be only just sticked 80% level with fixed seller fee of 10 % to Envato…
3/ Help us to create, to sell and to promote our own multi-seller bundles, if it’s our ‘direct selling’ business now…
4/ Let us to control the prices for our ‘direct selling’ goods…And so on… about money, ratings, tags…
Also: maybe I’ve read over it or I’m just not a regular buyer, but if we have to pay VAT, do we also collect it on our ‘directly sold products’? I don’t see VAT inclusion in the item price details (‘The total price includes the item price and a buyer fee.’)?
Never expected it to be over this soon, but Flash was really brilliant! Also remember the good really old days were 2 advanced launched V3 and loops still consisted of 2 keyframes
I see it! Fantastic! Thanks Lance!!
It’s incredible how in a stock market nobody talks about the design. There are competitors sites that have based their fortune on an appealing design (and if you look at their sources you would like to kill yourself).
People buys what looks good, nobody can look at the code on the preview pages.
And let’s say that code and design are 50% & 50% important. Well, if the designers must learn as3, then the coders here MUST learn to design…
If you code “bad” (and let’s demonstrate this) you can’t be featured.
If you design bad… nobody cares.
Sad marketplace. On TF people get rejected also 10 times… some are never allowed to publish anything.They don’t push you to make html5 or php6, they only care about overall quality… they reject you also if the file you upload doesn’t look good.
I completely agree with everything P&K has said till now in this topic (hi P&K )! This whole discussion moves to AS2 vs. AS3 everytime but let’s stick to quality control. The bar should be raised at least 10 times higher. It’s already visible when comparing the thumbnails of the files in comparison to those on ThemeForest, let alone the files itself.
Even when a template looks ‘quite’ nice, still every to often I see major disappointments: scrollwheels not working for scrolling, no deeplinking, button hitareas that are too small, etc. etc. etc. That isn’t an AS2 /AS3 discussion at all, it’s just a matter of not paying enough attention as an author to your file because it will be accepted anyway.
I have created AS2 files up till now and also never ever had a complaint from a customer. Like P&K says, it is only about XML breaking down or loading problems for example. If I would build my templates in AS3 , I would create EXACTLY the same files as I do now in AS2 . That’s also why any motivation in the AS2 /AS3 discussion is pointless here, a high quality standard can be reached with AS2 easily (I hope my templates proof so, and I definitely feel that templates of e.g. Damojo, P&K and DS proof so).So, once again, let’s stick to the point of the topic. Quality control has to get 10 times higher for these aspects:
- Thumbnail design;
- Design of the file itself;
- Interaction consistency in the file;
- Originality of the file;
- Amount of predefined options of the file;
NOT AS2 /AS3. I am disappointed that my AS2 files in the future will not be able to get special promotion, I am quite sure I do a good job in user experience, and that’s what it’s about in my opinion.
I’m aware that the set of aspects is difficult to use for ‘simple’ animations for example, but I am sure it will also be possible to have a quality standard for those files. Everyone, including me, is very enthusiastic about the files of Kontramax for example. I’m less enthusiastic about many other animations, hence there is a spectrum of quality there also.
Sales are extremely low here for the past 1,5 week. But hey, maybe I need to add some new files !